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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #20
munchler wrote: post #6

My problem with this isn't the price increase. It's the blurring of what used to be a clearly understandable suite of products (e.g. Office) and services (e.g. OneDrive) into a soup of weird AI and cloud stuff that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot). My mental model of what I'm actually purchasing is broken in this new paradigm.

Clearly understandable? Every time someone tells me on Teams about "the file they shared last week", I struggle to find out if I need to go to Onedrive, SharePoint, the Teams channel "files", the Teams channel "documents", etc. It's the most confusing piece of software I'm forced to use...

Teams is the most loathsome piece of collaboration software I have ever used. When it comes to finding basic things, the UX is so far from intuitive that it makes you wonder if they're just trolling us with these awful designs. I remember being excited about a Slack competitor when it first came out, but the same issues it had back then still exist to this day. I wish they would just pull the plug on that piece of crap.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by kjkjadksj »

tapoxi wrote: post #9

Is this the absolute death of the high school essay? Even if you didn't want to cheat by avoiding ChatGPT, AI is now right there, in your word processor, and you have no way of turning it off.

Hopefully its just a return to the in class bluebook essay. That is like a force multiplier in learning imo due to how much you need to prep to feel confident going into them.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

munchler wrote: post #6

My problem with this isn't the price increase. It's the blurring of what used to be a clearly understandable suite of products (e.g. Office) and services (e.g. OneDrive) into a soup of weird AI and cloud stuff that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot). My mental model of what I'm actually purchasing is broken in this new paradigm.

It’s funny seeing the Stockholm syndrome in action (or plain old forgetting) with OneDrive being touted as being part of the products, whereas it was the beginning of the mess that is now Office.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by derefr »

narrator wrote: post #36
for_i_in_range wrote: post #8

Hate that if you use Word for Mac, you now have Copilot next to your cursor with no way of turning it off. I just want to use Word. I like its print layout features better than Pages. I don't want to switch. Just let me write and leave me alone. Now they're jamming AI down my throat without any opt-out mechanism.

Libreoffice is way better than Pages.

Maybe in terms of being a word processor (i.e. supporting all the layout and editing/proofing features that Word has.)

But if, as the GP says, you want a program to “just let you write” (with some "writing-phase" accoutrements like change-tracking, word count, a dynamic Table of Contents, and so forth) — and you want a pleasant experience while writing, that takes advantage of the acceleration of native OS UI elements to keep that writing as smooth and jank-free as possible... then I’d assume Pages would be the clear winner, no?

(That, or just TextEdit. Though I’m not sure if TextEdit is optimized for novel-length texts the way word processors would tend to be.)

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by easton »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #25
sarajevo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did an enterprise license renewal with them last summer. They offered and we accepted a purchase of a large block of m364 license in exchange for a substantial discount in the overall price. Worked for us, worked for them, so no complaints there. We are measuring engagement and time-savings per user and we are doing pretty good on the engagement side while time savings side is barely breaking even (comparing the p…

Is m364 the same as m365 but without AI? What is the SKU?

As far as I can tell, they didn’t do this price increase on the business/enterprise SKUs at all. Copilot is still an add on for any of the integration with Office.

(Something the UI reminds you of if you’re on a business plan without it, if you click the button it offers to request a license from your admin unless they remembered to turn that off.)

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by alangibson »

behnamoh wrote: post #50
for_i_in_range wrote: post #8

Hate that if you use Word for Mac, you now have Copilot next to your cursor with no way of turning it off. I just want to use Word. I like its print layout features better than Pages. I don't want to switch. Just let me write and leave me alone. Now they're jamming AI down my throat without any opt-out mechanism.

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by msh »

whalesalad wrote: post #13

I don't think Microsoft has created a single novel or useful thing in the last 30 years, with the exception of vscode.

I dont like windows these days but I still think they have made several useful things in the last 30 years:

C#/.NET Windows 95 Windows 2000 Windows XP WSL SQL server

for a start.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by righthand »

derefr wrote: post #55
narrator wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libreoffice is way better than Pages.

Maybe in terms of being a word processor (i.e. supporting all the layout and editing/proofing features that Word has.) But if, as the GP says, you want a program to “just let you write” (with some "writing-phase" accoutrements like change-tracking, word count, a dynamic Table of Contents, and so forth) — and you want a pleasant experience while writing, that takes advantage of the acceleration of native OS UI element…

You can just write with LibreOffice. Your example of special acceleration for Apple made software is unfounded.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by xyst »

munchler wrote: post #6

My problem with this isn't the price increase. It's the blurring of what used to be a clearly understandable suite of products (e.g. Office) and services (e.g. OneDrive) into a soup of weird AI and cloud stuff that all goes under a single unhelpful name (Copilot). My mental model of what I'm actually purchasing is broken in this new paradigm.

> My mental model of what I'm actually purchasing is broken in this new paradigm.

It’s been broken for some time, mate. The era of subscription based models blurred it long ago.

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