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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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I just add a few drops of Stevia (have a liquid bottle that ends up being incredibly cheap on the whole)... personally, I can't really tell the difference.

Monkfruit sweetener tastes better and more like sugar to me.

I've used and liked that as well, but honestly I'm not too discerning. Where I am in Mexico atm it's hard to find in a similar liquid form.

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Just to clarify metabolic syndrome isn't the umbrella term for all of these things. Metabolic syndrome is when you have 3 or more of: central adiposity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high triglycerides and low HDL. You can have any of these independently, it becomes metabolic syndrome when you hit the bingo.

Those are the most obvious and easy to spot signs. Metabolic syndrome is dysfunction at the mitochondrial level.

> Metabolic syndrome is dysfunction at the mitochondrial level.

It might or might not be involved. At this point, it's not clear. Obesity and insulin resistance are the most likely proximate causes.

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Tangentially related: a while ago i used to drink aspartame-sweetened drinks (sugarfree coke) but I did quit that as well after reading thst the sweet taste is still going go stimulate insulin production. Speaking with a relative eho is a medical doctor they told me that yes, that’s a thing. I’m not sure to what degree this might fit into the discussion, but just wanted to write this down. Nowadays i just drink water…

I've known multiple with glucose monitors and all of them told me they saw no increase after drink a diet soda. I think the "aspartame causes sugar spikes" is an urban legend. I never get the sugar rush from them like I do if I drink a sugary soda.

Wouldn't the insulin w/o sugar cause a drop, instead?

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Good for you. I think for meat especially, there's a difference between the stuff people talk about (like premium steaks they almost never eat) and the reality of what ends up on their plates which is a lot less glamorous. A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that onc…

> A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that once in a while; usually because there's nothing more convenient and never because I crave one. The "Big Mac Attack" is real. I used to get one about every six months or so. Then I would eat a Big Mac, and the attack would b…

The weirdest thing for me is that when I was young I used to live off fast food. A few Jack in the Box burgers and I was good to go (my girlfriend at the time looked at me somewhat strange the first time I asked her how many burgers she wanted). But now when I eat a fast food burger I just don't feel very good afterwards. Curious how many others also seem to get the same thing. I always thought I was just being a bit more snobby than when I was younger and it was some sort of psychosomatic thing.

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Yet another article implying causation from association. The theory that sugar CAUSES diabetes type 2 fails when you look at people that eat a ton of carbs but keep the fats low: low fat vegans, fruitarians. Find one that's diabetic. They should be dropping like flies. But look at people that eat high fat >40% of calories, and the rest in carbs, and there you'll find the population of the metabolically compromised.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Tangentially related: a while ago i used to drink aspartame-sweetened drinks (sugarfree coke) but I did quit that as well after reading thst the sweet taste is still going go stimulate insulin production. Speaking with a relative eho is a medical doctor they told me that yes, that’s a thing. I’m not sure to what degree this might fit into the discussion, but just wanted to write this down. Nowadays i just drink water…

I've known multiple with glucose monitors and all of them told me they saw no increase after drink a diet soda. I think the "aspartame causes sugar spikes" is an urban legend. I never get the sugar rush from them like I do if I drink a sugary soda.

Yeah absolutely taking artificial sweetener can't cause a glucose spike itself (no glucose or minimal amount to be derived), but maybe it could contribute to spikier glucose in general (due to sweetness contributing to hormonal dis-regulation/lack of satiety and overeating)

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also a lot of people won't acknowledge that as far as damage that sugar is likely just as bad as HFCS. both should be heavily reduced

I believe sucrose and fructose are processed differently — specifically fructose is processed by the liver so can have the same issues as alcohol there.

Sucrose is 50% fructose. HFCS is typically 42-55% fructose. They are essentially indistinguishable to your liver.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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> A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that once in a while; usually because there's nothing more convenient and never because I crave one. The "Big Mac Attack" is real. I used to get one about every six months or so. Then I would eat a Big Mac, and the attack would b…

The weirdest thing for me is that when I was young I used to live off fast food. A few Jack in the Box burgers and I was good to go (my girlfriend at the time looked at me somewhat strange the first time I asked her how many burgers she wanted). But now when I eat a fast food burger I just don't feel very good afterwards. Curious how many others also seem to get the same thing. I always thought I was just being a bit…

Part of it is age. Part of it is, I think, the fast food companies are lowballing what they can get away with serving in order to keep costs down. It's said that some Diné (Navajo) refer to Burger King with a word that means "just enough food to get strength from". I think that's the fast food joints' specialty: compromise the food till it's barely enough to tolerate and derive nourishment (calories) from to sell the stuff cheap and quick to a ravenous but indiscriminate clientele. With the passage of time comes more efficient ways to produce less delicious or satisfying food, so BK today is not as good as BK 30-40 years ago (which in turn is less good than BK shortly after its founding). Some burger joints e.g. Whataburger can differentiate themselves with higher quality, but they don't achieve the volume of McD's, Burger King, Wendy's, etc.

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Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect. "Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested…

About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

Not that no sugar variants of soda are exactly a shining health food staple or better than going to healthy drinks lik water but...

For me I was absolutely shocked at how a soda being sugar free didn't have to imply it was like drinking horse piss. I had tried Diet Coke a few times and assumed that was what you had to deal with if you went sugar free. One day someone gave me a Coke Zero and it was actually not bad, even if not quite being as good as Coke. This led me to try some others like Dr Pepper Zero Sugar for which I thought "what the hell, this tastes better than Dr Pepper???".

Obviously which are better will vary by person and most people will, overall, like sodas with actual sugar more often but if everyone tried a few different options they might be surprised how little they'd have to trade down on the soda for, if anything, to drastically drop their sugar intake.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

Not that no sugar variants of soda are exactly a shining health food staple or better than going to healthy drinks lik water but... For me I was absolutely shocked at how a soda being sugar free didn't have to imply it was like drinking horse piss. I had tried Diet Coke a few times and assumed that was what you had to deal with if you went sugar free. One day someone gave me a Coke Zero and it was actually not bad, e…

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