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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by interestica »

tomcar288 wrote: post #5

It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now that there's an entire constellation of diseases (diabetes, stroke, certain cancers, fatty liver disease, heart disease, etc, etc) known as metabolic syndrome that are all caused by diet and lifestyle.

> It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now

A growing body of studies signals consensus - that’s newsworthy. This ties two specific factors together rather than any general metabolic syndrome.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by bluGill »

sitkack wrote: post #2

> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…

Before we go here, what is the alternative. If restrict soda and people switch to beer even if they will be driving that could be much worse. (I don't otherwise know how the effects of alcohol vs soda come up but that too is a question worth asking)

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by arcticbull »

tomcar288 wrote: post #5

It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now that there's an entire constellation of diseases (diabetes, stroke, certain cancers, fatty liver disease, heart disease, etc, etc) known as metabolic syndrome that are all caused by diet and lifestyle.

Just to clarify metabolic syndrome isn't the umbrella term for all of these things.

Metabolic syndrome is when you have 3 or more of: central adiposity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high triglycerides and low HDL.

You can have any of these independently, it becomes metabolic syndrome when you hit the bingo.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by [deleted] »

bluGill wrote: post #28
Eumenes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America's poor use EBT/food stamps to buy massive amounts of junk food, including billions on soda. Those same people are almost 100% on ACA or state health insurance plans and milking the tax payer on treatment for obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. There is no way, in my mind, it is feasible to fund these lifestyles and provide the treatment for it. Its absolutely insane.

Do they? Food stamps in most states have restrictions on what you can buy with them. My impression is soda is not on the list. Of course this is (mostly?) the states and every state has different rules so you probably need to cite 50 different state rules to verify this and thus an exception state is likely.

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bluGill wrote: post #32
sitkack wrote: post #2

> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…

Before we go here, what is the alternative. If restrict soda and people switch to beer even if they will be driving that could be much worse. (I don't otherwise know how the effects of alcohol vs soda come up but that too is a question worth asking)

> what is the alternative

Shrubs [1]!

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub_(drink)

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by toomuchtodo »

tomcar288 wrote: post #5

It's good to see more studies come on this but it's not exactly news. Researchers have known for quite some time now that there's an entire constellation of diseases (diabetes, stroke, certain cancers, fatty liver disease, heart disease, etc, etc) known as metabolic syndrome that are all caused by diet and lifestyle.

Also good that GLP-1s have been found to help people patch the reward center around unhealthy diet demand signals. We know these things are bad, we know will power isn't a solution, and we have a fix we can deploy at scale relatively inexpensively.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41988285 ("HN: GLP-1 for Everything")

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42579445 ("HN: Weight loss drugs seem to be driving down grocery bills")

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5073929 | https://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.5073929 ("The No-Hunger Games: How GLP-1 Medication Adoption is Changing Consumer Food Purchases")

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by siliconc0w »

I'd bet a dollar per gram additive sugar tax in excess of 5g would immediately flatten the chronic disease curve. Maybe double that if it's marketed towards kids. There are a lot of problems besides sugar/HFCS but it's easily towards the top of the list.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by neom »

Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect.

"Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested glucose also activate insulin and other regulatory pathways, which can result in visceral fat production, hepatic and skeletal muscle insulin resistance and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested fructose directly activate hepatic fat synthesis, leading to ectopic fat deposition and metabolic dysfunction in liver and muscle"

Unfortunately I can't find where they define high dose, but if you look at what they say is high elsewhere, it seems to be around 9 servings a week of "any beverage with added sugars and >50 kcal per 8 oz serving, including commercial or homemade beverages, soft drinks, energy drinks, fruit drinks, punch, lemonade and aguas frescas." - A can of coke is 12oz I believe?

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by arcticbull »

firesteelrain wrote: post #14
ElevenLathe wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing 7-11s have started stocking in recent years is packaged hard boiled eggs. The price is insane if you compare it to boiling your own, and they are a bit tasteless, but you don't have to peel them and the price is reasonable compared to other stuff there if you're stuck eating lunch from 7-11.

It is more than twice the price of Wal-Mart! Well, I guess that's the price of convenience. 2/hard boiled eggs - $2.09 @ 7/11 6/hard boiled eggs - $2.96 @ Wal-Mart 6/raw eggs - $2.62 @ Wal-Mart

You're paying for footprint. There's 320 Walmarts in California and almost 2000 7-Elevens. There's zero Walmarts in SF and San Mateo county, and at least 50-Elevens. Those 7-Elevens are often in premium locations downtown.
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