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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Post by tunapizza »

chrisco255 wrote: post #170
pessimizer wrote: post #137

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> About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight[...] Same thing happened to me at probably around the same time. I realized I could just have a lollypop, and it would be a tenth of the sugar. Most of the sweetness in soda doesn't even get a chance to touch your tongue before it's going down your throat. If I want candy, I should just have a piece of candy. If I'm thirs…

It's probably a risky line of thinking, if you're addicted to sugar, to substitute in some other source of sugar. Best to avoid pastries, lollipops and sugary sodas.

Why are people downvoting this?

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Post by [deleted] »

dantodor wrote: post #157
arcticbull wrote: post #33

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Just to clarify metabolic syndrome isn't the umbrella term for all of these things. Metabolic syndrome is when you have 3 or more of: central adiposity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high triglycerides and low HDL. You can have any of these independently, it becomes metabolic syndrome when you hit the bingo.

Those are the most obvious and easy to spot signs. Metabolic syndrome is dysfunction at the mitochondrial level.

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Post by EasyMark »

znpy wrote: post #145

Tangentially related: a while ago i used to drink aspartame-sweetened drinks (sugarfree coke) but I did quit that as well after reading thst the sweet taste is still going go stimulate insulin production. Speaking with a relative eho is a medical doctor they told me that yes, that’s a thing. I’m not sure to what degree this might fit into the discussion, but just wanted to write this down. Nowadays i just drink water…

I've known multiple with glucose monitors and all of them told me they saw no increase after drink a diet soda. I think the "aspartame causes sugar spikes" is an urban legend. I never get the sugar rush from them like I do if I drink a sugary soda.

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Post by hilux »

MichaelDickens wrote: post #210
hilux wrote: post #73

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The Coke is definitely worse, unless you're flying an airliner, of course.

People who have serious health issues from drinking soda are usually drinking 1+ liters per day. A liter of whiskey per day would be extremely bad for you.

My goodness – I've been doing it all wrong!

Also, you are quite wrong on the amount of soda. Depending on your genetics, it takes a lot less than that to mess up your A1c.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

loeg wrote: post #204
bitwize wrote: post #192

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This is one of those areas where scientific consensus needs to catch up with the alarming facts that have been discovered. Scientific consensus was against handwashing for doctors and plate tectonics, and it still is in favor of "clearing amyloid plaques will totally fix Alzheimer's", but the facts just keep on being what they be.

No, this is an area where Lustig is probably wrong, and definitely making unsubstantiated statements.

Can you elaborate a bit?

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Post by chiefalchemist »

m3kw9 wrote: post #115
exhilaration wrote: post #79

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So taking myself as an example: I drink 12 oz of coffee daily (7 days per week), and I add exactly 12 grams of table sugar to my coffee each day (equivalent to 3 sugar packets), which is 45 calories. Seems like I don't have much wiggle room and should continue avoiding soda and juice.

Learn to drink it black, it’s good. But I do get beans and grind them so the brew is much higher quality. I’m assuming you drink that can of grinds for 3 bucks or instant. Those suck

I learned to drink it black, but not for health reasons. I did it to avoid having to depend on sugar a/o milk in order to have a coffee. Plus, nothing says "No nonsense" like "Coffee? Yes, black please."

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Post by chiefalchemist »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #124
bityard wrote: post #117

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I've noticed that people who want to deny that the extremely high carbohydrate content of the typical western diet is the major factor for runaway rates of diabetes and cardiovascular disease like to label the "bad" food as "junk food" or "ultra-processed food." But we never get an explanation from them as to what exactly is IN the junk food or ultra-processed food that causes the disease.

Well, I can answer that. It's not always about a certain boogeyman inside it, but whether it makes it easy to overeat and whether it pays its rent in nutritional content. Consider potato chips. Even if they have zero saturated fat, the issue most people have with them is that they are hyperpalatable and low nutritional value compared to their calorie density. Combine fat and salt and certain textures, and we can't st…

> low nutritional value compared to their calorie density. Combine fat and salt and certain textures, and we can't stop ourselves.

In the end the body realizes it didn't get the nutrition it needed so I sends out a notice "eat more".

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Post by jtc331 »

EasyMark wrote: post #205
Hilift wrote: post #126

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Orange juice is high in sugars. Drinking any alternative beverage with a lot of sugar is bad for your health. I believe a 12 ounce glass of orange juice is 100% of maximum sugar intake for one day. If you drank orange juice the same way you drank soda with added sugar, the health effect would be equally detrimental.

also a lot of people won't acknowledge that as far as damage that sugar is likely just as bad as HFCS. both should be heavily reduced

I believe sucrose and fructose are processed differently — specifically fructose is processed by the liver so can have the same issues as alcohol there.

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Post by afarviral »

znpy wrote: post #145

Tangentially related: a while ago i used to drink aspartame-sweetened drinks (sugarfree coke) but I did quit that as well after reading thst the sweet taste is still going go stimulate insulin production. Speaking with a relative eho is a medical doctor they told me that yes, that’s a thing. I’m not sure to what degree this might fit into the discussion, but just wanted to write this down. Nowadays i just drink water…

When I researched it in the past I thought that multiple studies corroborated that while blood sugar doesn't increase from drinking artificially sweetened drinks that people who drink them still tend to gain weight. I'm not sure how those studies adjusted for things like people that already have metabolic syndrome who simply choose artificial sweetener for health reasons though?

It seems the most I would be comfortable concluding from recent reviews of studies is that there are some worrying findings, enough to warrant caution. If you can simply reduce your consumption of sugary foods and beverages I suspect it will reduce your craving better than a replacement stimuli. You can review some studies here:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=obesity+artificial+swe...

It's a fallacy to draw conclusions from the number of studies/reviews supporting a given hypothesis, but the majority conclude that artificial sweeteners are associated with negative health effects and not a helpful tool for adiposity-related diseases.

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Post by hattmall »

athenot wrote: post #60
neom wrote: post #39

Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect. "Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested…

About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

In most cases you could eat multiple pastries and still have significantly less sugar than a soda.
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