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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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My father was Type 2 and for decades drank sweet tea; sweet tea that progressively became sweeter and sweeter. If you were to let it settle, you would see a thick layer of sugar sitting at the bottom of the glass. Eventually, he lost both of his legs beneath the knee due to infections that festered. He spent his last few years in a wheelchair and then eventually died of a heart attack. Bad habits, bit by bit, over th…

Your father sounds similar to mine: high-achiever, running every which way. Question: how was his sleep? My father's career was in a field that required annual physical fitness certification; his diet probably could have stood to include less salt and sugar when I was very young, but he cleaned it up, especially by the time he was diagnosed with T2. Something his job also required, however: early mornings. Late night…

Agree about sleep. He managed a newsroom and “put the paper to bed” so he worked from 7pm to 4am. I’m sure it didn’t help. For myself, I’m physically built very differently (leaner) and I don’t care much for sweet tea, so I’m lucky I guess. But as an achiever, sleep is always my battle. Comes and goes!

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It's odd to me that zero-calorie sodas aren't the default by now.

The older diet sodas definitely didn't taste like sugar but the new ones (Coke Zero) are pretty great? Idk, I almost never drink full sugar soda but I'm a fan of Coke Zero.

Coke Zero still has aspartame and so still has a bit of that "aspar-tang" to its taste. But there's something in its formulation that masks that somewhat and makes it tastier than Diet Coke. The advertisements used to say "Diet Dr. Pepper DOES taste more like regular Dr. Pepper!" and it's true: something about the spices? they add to Dr. Pepper causes the aspartame flavor to blend right in and be less noticeable.

I drink sugar-free (or occasionally, low-sugar variants like Olipop) soda from time to time but I find I'm drinking way less soda -- and everything else except maybe water and coffee -- these days. Being on a dietary protocol for early T2D has brought my liquid cravings way, way down.

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Fruit smoothies are an interesting case of a "sugar beverage" which doesn't quite act how you'd think. Intuitively, you'd think that speedy ingestion of that much fructose with all its fiber obliterated in a blender could potentially cause spikes in blood glucose. However this study showed that when the fruits had seeds, like blackberries and raspberries, the glucose peak was lower with blended fruit than whole.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9657402/

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Lustig is a crank with opinions well outside scientific consensus.

This is one of those areas where scientific consensus needs to catch up with the alarming facts that have been discovered. Scientific consensus was against handwashing for doctors and plate tectonics, and it still is in favor of "clearing amyloid plaques will totally fix Alzheimer's", but the facts just keep on being what they be.

No, this is an area where Lustig is probably wrong, and definitely making unsubstantiated statements.

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Interesting. I think folks in the comments here maybe missed this paper is way more about the beverages part making it important. The research is around sugar sweetened beverages (SSBs). If I'm reading it right, the SSBs have a differentmetabolic effect. "Due to their liquid form, SSBs are rapidly consumed and digested, resulting in lower satiety, higher caloric intake and weight gain. High doses of rapidly digested…

Orange juice is high in sugars. Drinking any alternative beverage with a lot of sugar is bad for your health. I believe a 12 ounce glass of orange juice is 100% of maximum sugar intake for one day. If you drank orange juice the same way you drank soda with added sugar, the health effect would be equally detrimental.

also a lot of people won't acknowledge that as far as damage that sugar is likely just as bad as HFCS. both should be heavily reduced

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Why you switched from grams to cans when compared to Dr Pepper? A can of Dr Pepper is 350 ml, so about 350 g. Therefore: 100 g of Dr. Pepper has 11g of sugar

Because no one eats 1 pound of mango. People drink 10 cans of Dr. Pepper.

I know lots of people that eat 1 pound of dried mango, usually sugared but often not.

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So taking myself as an example: I drink 12 oz of coffee daily (7 days per week), and I add exactly 12 grams of table sugar to my coffee each day (equivalent to 3 sugar packets), which is 45 calories. Seems like I don't have much wiggle room and should continue avoiding soda and juice.

I just add a few drops of Stevia (have a liquid bottle that ends up being incredibly cheap on the whole)... personally, I can't really tell the difference.

that's what I do, just a few drops is more than enough with a splash of whole milk or cream

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Mostly from own experience I know poor people drink sodas and as you get used to the taste you don’t like taste of plain water - even when you have decent tap water. As an adult I started drinking tap water and now I don’t like taste of sodas anymore. I am happy that I got over with it but still have some people I know stuck on sodas and disliking plain water taste.

I think "don't like the taste of water" accurately describes me. That being said I do have a rule of "never drink anything with calories" specifically to avoid the sugar. But I don't know what you plain water drinkers are on about, the added flavor tricks me into drinking way more than I would naturally. Humans have been constantly flavoring our water for thousands of years, I think the verdict is in that water taste…

I like my water flavored. I tend to keep some lime/lemon juice around and that works well for me, maybe something can work for you

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> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…

Before we go here, what is the alternative. If restrict soda and people switch to beer even if they will be driving that could be much worse. (I don't otherwise know how the effects of alcohol vs soda come up but that too is a question worth asking)

I don't know anyone who would switch from soda to beer?? probably tea, or coffee, or lemonade or flavored sparkling water

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I only ever drink coke when I'm mixing with whisky... not sure which one is worse...

The Coke is definitely worse, unless you're flying an airliner, of course.

People who have serious health issues from drinking soda are usually drinking 1+ liters per day. A liter of whiskey per day would be extremely bad for you.
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