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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by llm_nerd »

gilleain wrote: post #170
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And FWIW, I cannot imagine a programmer, in 2024, that remains dismissive of LLMs or the related tooling. Hi. > While they are grossly oversold by the LinkedIn crowd, That is true. > and are still a far ways from so-called "prompt engineers" replacing devs, Also true. > they're a massive accelerator and "second set of eyes", especially if you're doing varied, novel work. That is not even remotely my experience. Lik…

It's interesting that there is this division between programmers who claim LLMs are super helpful, and those saying they are useless. While it's certainly possible that this divide is based on how 'hard' the problems people are using them on, my current theory is that some people use them like the proverbial rubber duck - in other words, a way to explore the code, and generate some stuff to work on, while thinking th…

This really touches on it. I'm a big advocate of these tools, but they author approximately zero lines of my code, yet I still find them invaluable and a wonderful tool to leverage, and do so constantly. Particularly in challenging projects and needs.

I suspect many who find them useless and decry them were sold an exaggerated utility and then were disappointed when they tried to generate libraries or even functions, then feeling deceived when there are errors or flaws, etc.

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Post by tvararu »

I used to be able to tell Siri "Turn off the lights."

Sometimes in 2017 or 2018 they "updated" it and now it replies "Which room?" Followed by slowly listing out the 6 or 7 options including "everywhere."

I haven't been able to reprogram myself to say "Turn off all the lights" which works as before. Hearing that reply is the equivalent of hitting your toe on a wardrobe.

This update didn't fix this. The functionality is the same as before.

Basic stuff, but no way to fix it.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by nozzlegear »

adregan wrote: post #36
taylodl wrote: post #2

Apple has tons of user engagement data. You would think they would have a heatmap showing them where their customers are spending a lot of time trying to accomplish a task. I would focus Apple Intelligence, amongst other tools, to reduce the time needed to accomplish that task. If I were the PO, that's how I'd proceed. I'd want my customers to be able to reduce the time they're spending using the phone and yet gettin…

I imagine my heatmap would show I spend a disproportionate amount of time trying to edit urls in the browser bar.

Oof, too relatable! I once saw a shortcut somebody shared that would turn your URL (really any text you shared to the shortcut) into a screen-sized edit box. I didn't grab it at the time, but it shouldn't be too difficult to recreate.

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

tkgally wrote: post #94
kemiller2002 wrote: post #15

We have a family friend who is blind and a programmer. It's interesting to hear his perspective. His hope and expectation are that it will greatly increase usability. I've been thrown into the usability deep end due to my wife also losing her sight due to an autoimmune disorder, and my dad losing his sight due to Macular Degeneration. Honestly, it sucks, and I mean like rage quitting, phone throwing sucks. (Try it. T…

A few days ago, OpenAI released live video integration with Advanced Voice mode for ChatGPT—point your phone at something and ask what it sees, and it will tell you pretty accurately. I thought it was just a cool trick until I read the top comment on their YouTube video announcement: “I'm screaming. As a visually impaired person, this is what I was eagerly waiting for. Still screaming! Thank you, Sam, Kev and the ent…

Is this feature somehow different than what Google has had with lens and what Apple has had with the info button in regular photos for a while now?

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

mey wrote: post #163
brookst wrote: post #127

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> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

How accurate are the summaries?

They are quite accurate but the problem is that they sometimes leave out a critical piece of information said in the meeting that doesn't have a lot of repetition but that turns out to be like a crucial factor in the meeting and the LLMs completely miss that.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by atonse »

brookst wrote: post #142
behnamoh wrote: post #84

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3 years ago, I and many people were using GPT-3 on our iPhones and Apple Watches (see for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDB3uIEgU0E&t=36s ). For 3 years I wondered why Apple wouldn't make it a native feature. - Was it because they didn't want to use a third-party AI system? No, because Apple Intelligence uses ChatGPT anyway. - Was it because Apple didn't know how to add AI features to iOS? No, if anything t…

Thanks for the obligatory “Apple is doomed” comment. I get it, and odds are one day it will be true so no harm trotting it out decade after decade, but I don’t think that time is now. - Watch and AirPods have both been incredible successful and were pure Cook-era Apple. Both were first envisioned after Jobs died. - Car was a failure, but it seems odd to criticize Cook for being a mere optimizer when he enthusiastical…

Totally agree with you and you didn’t even count their insanely great M chips that even have the interest of people running Linux and servers.

Those chips are leading the industry in performance per watt and other metrics, and are fascinating as chips, not just Apple or ARM chips. Their laptops were “fixed” and many, including myself think they’re the best laptops we’ve ever owned.

I feel the butterfly keyboard laptop era was when they were lost in the woods. But now they killing it. Even Apple Maps is great.

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Post by Bluecobra »

pid-1 wrote: post #27
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

I've brought MS Copilot licenses for my company in ~ February 2023. They were sold in a yearly commitment and offered no trials. A bad deal, but I was afraid of missing out AI productivity gains. I'm definitely not renewing those. Times are hard and the value provided does not justify the cost. I wonder how many companies will do the same.

I've found Copliot to be really good at generating funny memes and haikus for specific issues/tasks where I work. The productivity gains come from me not having to use Photoshop and have more time to browse websites like this one.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

I am using an iPhone 13 Mini, which will need to be pried from my cold, dead, hands.

The new "intelligence" hasn't made any difference that I can note, other than a couple of buttons, and Siri seems a bit less dense.

On my Mac, the Xcode auto-fill has improved quite a bit. It is now useful enough for me to use (but I still need to check its work, as it hallucinates weird API calls).

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Post by layer8 »

llm_nerd wrote: post #65
ARandumGuy wrote: post #23

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What I don't understand is, what benefit is there for 99% of companies to get in on the ground floor of LLMs? If you're not developing your own model, you're effectively just beta testing someone else's model. And if the sales pitch of LLMs being able to do basically anything comes true, wouldn't most companies still get the same benefit if they just wait? It seems like a lot of companies are so terrified of missing…

I assume they believe in the advantages, to the company, of using these AI tools. Of adding them to the workflow, training their employees, and understanding quickly how it impacts their space. If you just wait and all of your competitors have a workforce enabled and equipped with the best tools, you are at a disadvantage. It's being the company that put off computerization or automation when everyone else went wild.…

> especially if you're doing varied, novel work.

What do you mean by that? In my experience they mostly help when you are doing mainstream, well-trodden work for which a company’s/project’s/domain’s inside knowledge isn’t needed. Maybe you mean the latter by “novel”?

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