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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by janice1999 »

brookst wrote: post #131
dylan604 wrote: post #70

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The crazy thing to me means that people are okay with recording 100% of every meeting they ever have. I've been in plenty of meetings where you just don't want things recorded, and no, that does not mean the meeting was shady.

Other than legally sensitive topics, what meetings would you not want recorded? Do people take notes or are they just totally ephemeral?

Sometimes people want to express things (frustration at deadlines or upper management or skepticism of projects or announcements for example) and not have it carved in stone. I purposefully allow some time at the end of presentations or large team meetings for a more informal non-recorded Q&A for that reason.

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Post by llm_nerd »

Clubber wrote: post #143
llm_nerd wrote: post #134

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>Hi. I was being dismissively rhetorical. I can actually imagine them because we see them on HN constantly, with a Luddism that somehow actually becomes a rather hilarious attempt at superiority. A "well if you actually get use out of them, I guess you're just not at my superior level of Unique Projects and Unique Code". It's honestly just embarrassing at this point. >but bluntly put, the code I work on day to day is…

>with a Luddism that somehow actually becomes a rather hilarious attempt at superiority >The people who usually think LLMs aren't valuable to coders generally work on the most boring, copy/paste prattle. Here you are doing the same thing, aren't you? Instead of calling people names, the biggest tell of a weak argument, why don't you explain the type of work you do and how using an LLM is faster than if you coded it y…

But...I'm not doing the same thing. In actuality I'm saying I'm a fairly typical programmer in a common situation: I work across a variety of languages and platforms and toolings and projects, building solutions for problems. The truth is that extraordinarily few programmers are working on anything truly novel. Zero of the readers of this comment are, in all likelihood. The ridiculous notion that someone has so unique of a need that it hasn't been seen is kind of hilarious nonsense. It's the "I'm so random! Other girls aren't like me" bit.

>Instead of calling people names

Who called anyone a name? Luddism? Yes, many HN participants are reacting to AI in a completely common rejection of change / challenge, and it recurs constantly.

>how using an LLM is faster than if you coded it yourself

I am coding it myself. Similar to the other guy who talks about putting an LLM in "charge" of his precious, super-novel code, you're setting up a strawman where using an LLM implies some particular scenario that you envision. In reality I spend my day asking questions, getting broad strokes, getting code commented, asking for API or resources, etc.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by mey »

brookst wrote: post #127
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

How accurate are the summaries?

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by jprete »

unethical_ban wrote: post #115
jprete wrote: post #93

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I don't have experience with this kind of problem. But I don't think GenAI is the best tool for this, at least not until it's so rock-solid trustworthy that everyone uses such an interface. Even leaving aside AI questions, if I'm looking for a human personal assistant for someone who's blind, and that person will have unlimited access to their electronic life, I'm going to vet that person very, very carefully.

I don't understand the point. Apple users already let apple (or at least their device) know everything about them. If a person is blind and can't read or type onto their phone, a tool that can reliably pull up messages app and send Dad a letter is a godsend.

My point is that the user is adding another layer of abstraction, and that layer of abstraction needs itself to be trusted. When UI elements are really concrete and you can clearly see that you pressed a particular button and the thing you wanted happened, then the UI layer, at least, is a nonissue.

But in retrospect I don't know if my point was that good. The UI problem hasn't actually been solved, and an LLM-based chatbot may actually be more reliable for non-tech users since the user has to do less translation.

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Post by ErneX »

ProofHouse wrote: post #49

I can’t even get iPhone 15pro max insane. But don’t care. Apple is useless and Siri is SO pathetic that Tim Cook should be literally fired by the board for gross incompetence. It can’t even set a timer on the latest flagship device

Timers are on the clock app, or just ask Siri "set a timer for X minutes".

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by mathieuh »

jdrek1 wrote: post #137
guappa wrote: post #132

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? My calculator does too. Unless you mean (9, 11) > (9, 9) which is an entirely different thing.

You should get your calculator checked. 9.11 is definitely less than 9.9

I imagine they are not from an anglophone country and see 9.11 as 9*11

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by [deleted] »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #155
llm_nerd wrote: post #134

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>Hi. I was being dismissively rhetorical. I can actually imagine them because we see them on HN constantly, with a Luddism that somehow actually becomes a rather hilarious attempt at superiority. A "well if you actually get use out of them, I guess you're just not at my superior level of Unique Projects and Unique Code". It's honestly just embarrassing at this point. >but bluntly put, the code I work on day to day is…

That was a whole lotta words to say "Nuh uh." and as such I don't really have a response.

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by DamnInteresting »

grishka wrote: post #51
uludag wrote: post #29

I was reflecting on old technologies that were supposedly revolutionary at the time, like palm pilots, and what value they really provided. Like, I can imagine a someone at that time using a palm pilot and claiming that it's making them more "productive." Looking back though, such technologies are nothing compared to what we have. So there's a perceived gap between our current state of technology (LLMs etc.) and the…

The productivity improvement is negative because of how much of everything is now a "product" instead of just a tool. Whenever you open something, especially after not using it for a while, you're met with an obstacle course of in-your-face modals and popovers about new features that you don't give a shit about. Software used to let you get your job done more efficiently. Installing a new app and learning to use it f…

Agreed, I strongly dislike this trend of "new feature tours" on application startup. When I launch an application it's because I have a task I need to complete, and these dumb popups just step in the way and slow me down.

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Post by gilleain »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119
llm_nerd wrote: post #65

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I assume they believe in the advantages, to the company, of using these AI tools. Of adding them to the workflow, training their employees, and understanding quickly how it impacts their space. If you just wait and all of your competitors have a workforce enabled and equipped with the best tools, you are at a disadvantage. It's being the company that put off computerization or automation when everyone else went wild.…

> And FWIW, I cannot imagine a programmer, in 2024, that remains dismissive of LLMs or the related tooling. Hi. > While they are grossly oversold by the LinkedIn crowd, That is true. > and are still a far ways from so-called "prompt engineers" replacing devs, Also true. > they're a massive accelerator and "second set of eyes", especially if you're doing varied, novel work. That is not even remotely my experience. Lik…

It's interesting that there is this division between programmers who claim LLMs are super helpful, and those saying they are useless.

While it's certainly possible that this divide is based on how 'hard' the problems people are using them on, my current theory is that some people use them like the proverbial rubber duck - in other words, a way to explore the code, and generate some stuff to work on, while thinking through the problem.

Personally, I have not yet tried it, so I'm curious which side of the discussion I'll fall ...

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