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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by bdangubic »

hammock wrote: post #27
toomuchtodo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An important component is solving parent entitlement as well. They are stakeholders, not customers. (~1600 school districts across 24 states in the US are on 4 day weeks to attempt to retain teachers)

> An important component is solving parent entitlement as well. They are stakeholders, not customers. Only in public schools. At private schools, they are customers, and paradoxically the concomitant “entitlement” is not a bug, but a feature

except customer is not always right at private schools, the school makes the rules, you get to sign the agreement and then pay a bunch of money and the stfu. my kid goes to private school, no electronics of any kind are allowed. over the years many parents bitched about it which went as good as you can imagine - “there are many other options for your child’s education…”

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Post by SoftTalker »

getnormality wrote: post #56
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

Do people really think this way? In good faith? They have such a high sense of risk from school shootings that they have to organize their daily activities around that possibility, regardless of whether it may be ruining the learning environment, the entire nominal purpose of school?

When you do active shooter drills during school three or four times a year, then yes that sort of creates and reinforces a skewed perspective on the real risk.

Like, what difference does it make anyway if the kid can or cannot text the parent? Not like the parent can alter the situation in any way.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

bawolff wrote: post #76
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

> Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night. Sort of like how people addicted to gambling would probably save a lot of money if they had just a little more will power.

Or if they just had parents controlling them?

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Post by caseyy »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #65
caseyy wrote: post #57

I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago, and I have 50% more motivation, 50% more headspace to focus on things, and 50% better moods most days. The attention economy, especially in social media, is a plague. It wasn't always this way. I did digital detoxes every few years for about two decades. For most of that time, there were always subtle positive impacts of switching off. But nowadays, the positive effects ar…

how do you deal with otp, mfa, mandatory id scans, face scans, compulsory apps, etc.?

I have a phone I set up specifically to disallow content consumption. It has a permanently on Downtime mode (iOS) with only a handful of apps whitelisted – mainly the ones you mentioned. The notifications are disabled, too. I don't have the parental controls passcode, I asked someone else to set it and hold on to it; so it's a lot of effort to bypass the content blocks.

I needed this to ween off social media, scrolling, mindless content consumption, otherwise it was just too convenient and easy to access all that to make the change.

Generally, this phone isn't a problem with regard to social media use or browsing. So it gets used only as a tool, and left in a drawer most of the time. My main phone is a dumbphone but with this second phone, I've not lost access to banking, work apps, etc.

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Post by SoftTalker »

aniviacat wrote: post #75
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you deal with otp, mfa, mandatory id scans, face scans, compulsory apps, etc.?

Otp and other types of mfa can be done on PC, too. Mandatory apps (that I am aware of) should also be runnable on your PC using an Android emulation layer. Mandatory ID and face scans can be done via webcam. What I am more curious about is how they deal with navigation when traveling. A phone seems like a must-have whenever you are using public transport (e.g. a plane).

> A phone seems like a must-have whenever you are using public transport (e.g. a plane).

It isn't. You can still print your boarding pass (at home in advance or at an airport kiosk). Flight status and gate assignments are posted on screens all over the airport.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

polygon87 wrote: post #62
toomuchtodo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private school cohort is a minority, and those kids in the aggregate will do well because of their parents’ wealth, income, and time available. Private school teachers typically are compensated appropriately and empowered as well (as opposed to public teachers who are not). Managing expectations, but also realistic expectations. (home/virtual school two kids under 10 in our family, my observations and perspective fro…

Anecdotal but I went to a fancy NYC private school (on financial aid) and what I heard was the teachers actually got paid less than public school teachers + lacked the union protections and whatnot. But it was worth it for the nicer environment and dealing with motivated students with parental pressure behind them. Although you could make money in extra ways by networking with students for $300/hr SAT tutoring and su…

Yes, my friend is a teacher in WA and taught in private and public schools; that matches her experience.

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Post by trogdor »

gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

If you are saying that just based off of the linked article, I don’t think that is clear.

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Post by SoftTalker »

cyberax wrote: post #25

We need to remove technology out of the school entirely (outside of computer science classes). No iPads instead of books, only manual note-taking, regular blackboards/whiteboards instead of projectors, no calculators, and so on.

100% agree for elementary school, probably up until high school even.

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Post by SoftTalker »

rkagerer wrote: post #38
Wool2662 wrote: post #32

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Non of that paper stuff! Stone tablets only.

Would abaci be too high tech?

We learned to use them in elementary school (1970s)!

It was what I think they now call a "manipulative" as way to teach place value, addition, and multiplication.

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Post by zdragnar »

bdangubic wrote: post #70
zdragnar wrote: post #59

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As an American, I'm at a loss trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school. Back in my day, all electronics had to stay in your locker except your calculator, including pagers, personal organizers and for the very few kids who were wealthy enough to have one, phones as well. This would be about the time that Motorola and Nokia were selling giant bricks that they called phones. Edit: and no, school…

rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

And the vast majority of those are accidental, drive by, and "escalation of dispute" per your link. These are not the kinds of shootings that parents want kids to be texting about, these are run of the mill gang activity.

The mass violence shootings that you hear about on TV where anyone and everyone might be a victim are the exception, not the norm.

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