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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

toasterlovin wrote: post #60
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

Teenage dogs need more sleep, too. I think it’s a bit of both.

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Post by johnchristopher »

bdangubic wrote: post #66
johnchristopher wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you replace it with (if you did edit: scratch that, I brain froze and was thinking of "did you replace it with a regular phone") ? Most accounts I read of people ditching their smartphones mentioned they started carrying an ultra light laptop or small candy bar computer (for instance). Basically increasing inconvenience to reduce usage.

you can accomplish a whole lot of the same keeping the phone and deleting all social media apps and accounts (what I did). I still use my phone as a map and camera and many other things … my screentime went from 7+ hours to hardly ever over 40 minutes daily

That's not the point. The focus here is on removing the smartphone out of the system, not removing features from the smartphone.

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Post by gerdesj »

My company is situated across a main road from a college. There are a couple of permissive rights of way across our land to the road and quite a few students walk that way and also up the road.

This horror of a link is what Google Maps shows with Street View:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9469423,-2.6380275,3a,75y,...

Our place is the left hand turn off. The college is about 100m further up on the right. Pretend I'm in the red car. I often see kids with headphones on the pavement (sidewalk) cross our turn off without looking around - invariably they are wearing massive bins - head phones and listening to music or podcasts or whatever. Kids also walk down our ramp towards the college too. Again with minimal regard for traffic.

That road is the A37 which I was told a while back conveys at least 30,000 odd vehicles per day.

I often get to pause whilst waiting for a kiddie to cross. To be fair, our traffic laws now allow for pedestrians to have right of way when crossing a "turn off". However, that is a life limiting thing to depend upon without keeping an eye out!

Never mind phones, why not keep an eye on the real world and stop pretending that wearing bins will stop a car killing you?

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Post by natsucks »

bdangubic wrote: post #66
johnchristopher wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you replace it with (if you did edit: scratch that, I brain froze and was thinking of "did you replace it with a regular phone") ? Most accounts I read of people ditching their smartphones mentioned they started carrying an ultra light laptop or small candy bar computer (for instance). Basically increasing inconvenience to reduce usage.

you can accomplish a whole lot of the same keeping the phone and deleting all social media apps and accounts (what I did). I still use my phone as a map and camera and many other things … my screentime went from 7+ hours to hardly ever over 40 minutes daily

Turning GrayScale mode on also helps.

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Post by aniviacat »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #65
caseyy wrote: post #57

I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago, and I have 50% more motivation, 50% more headspace to focus on things, and 50% better moods most days. The attention economy, especially in social media, is a plague. It wasn't always this way. I did digital detoxes every few years for about two decades. For most of that time, there were always subtle positive impacts of switching off. But nowadays, the positive effects ar…

how do you deal with otp, mfa, mandatory id scans, face scans, compulsory apps, etc.?

Otp and other types of mfa can be done on PC, too.

Mandatory apps (that I am aware of) should also be runnable on your PC using an Android emulation layer.

Mandatory ID and face scans can be done via webcam.

What I am more curious about is how they deal with navigation when traveling. A phone seems like a must-have whenever you are using public transport (e.g. a plane).

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Post by bawolff »

gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

> Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

Sort of like how people addicted to gambling would probably save a lot of money if they had just a little more will power.

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Post by bawolff »

m00x wrote: post #15

I feel like giving teachers and schools more freedoms to implement these things would be a great overall effect. We've seen a large reduction of what teachers are able to do in the last few decades because the school districts have continuously pushed bad policies to protect them against liability and extra work. My parents were both in the school system and every year they would get more rules to protect the distric…

We're talking about banning cell phones all day (not just during school hours).

I don't think teachers should control what kids do outside of school. Teachers aren't parents (or jailers).

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Post by bawolff »

rkagerer wrote: post #38
Wool2662 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non of that paper stuff! Stone tablets only.

Would abaci be too high tech?

Abaci would actually probably be good for making mental math come naturally.

As a general rule, i am on team - if you need a calculator in math class then you aren't learning math.

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Post by boredatoms »

toasterlovin wrote: post #60
gregwebs wrote: post #51

> challenged a group of Year 8 pupils to give up their smartphones completely for 21 days. It was not a ban during school. It was complete phone abstinence. The result was that the kids got an entire additional hour of sleep! Perhaps this could be replicated just by putting phones away at night.

I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

Its having to get up before noon thats the true problem, they just live in a different timezone

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Post by SoftTalker »

boredatoms wrote: post #79
toasterlovin wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

Its having to get up before noon thats the true problem, they just live in a different timezone

I always laughed at the supposed benefit from moving high school start times an hour later with the claim that teens need more sleep. They'd need to move it three or four hours later; getting up at 8:00 instead of 7:00 is not a big difference when your body wants you to sleep for another three or four hours.
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