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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by bdangubic »

lmm wrote: post #50
bdangubic wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

once you are adult you can claim “oh my freedom” and all that stuff… kids have no such luxury, it is on parents/teachers/community/policy/… to get them as best we can to adulthood and hence these two are not comparable. should we let kids snort coke during recess might be though (we don’t)

Banning something that you ban for adults as well is defensible. Insisting kids follow a standard of "healthy" that you won't apply to yourself smacks of hypocrisy and bullying.

you cannot possibly be serious, right? no “learn from my mistakes eh?”

if I am a heavy smoker, heavy drinker etc I have to make sure my 11-year old lights up with me and cracks open a bottle after a long day in school…?

still hoping you are joking though…

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Post by polygon87 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #28
hammock wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An important component is solving parent entitlement as well. They are stakeholders, not customers. Only in public schools. At private schools, they are customers, and paradoxically the concomitant “entitlement” is not a bug, but a feature

Private school cohort is a minority, and those kids in the aggregate will do well because of their parents’ wealth, income, and time available. Private school teachers typically are compensated appropriately and empowered as well (as opposed to public teachers who are not). Managing expectations, but also realistic expectations. (home/virtual school two kids under 10 in our family, my observations and perspective fro…

Anecdotal but I went to a fancy NYC private school (on financial aid) and what I heard was the teachers actually got paid less than public school teachers + lacked the union protections and whatnot. But it was worth it for the nicer environment and dealing with motivated students with parental pressure behind them.

Although you could make money in extra ways by networking with students for $300/hr SAT tutoring and such.

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Post by johnchristopher »

caseyy wrote: post #57

I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago, and I have 50% more motivation, 50% more headspace to focus on things, and 50% better moods most days. The attention economy, especially in social media, is a plague. It wasn't always this way. I did digital detoxes every few years for about two decades. For most of that time, there were always subtle positive impacts of switching off. But nowadays, the positive effects ar…

What did you replace it with (if you did edit: scratch that, I brain froze and was thinking of "did you replace it with a regular phone") ? Most accounts I read of people ditching their smartphones mentioned they started carrying an ultra light laptop or small candy bar computer (for instance). Basically increasing inconvenience to reduce usage.

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Post by ubj »

zdragnar wrote: post #59
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

As an American, I'm at a loss trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school. Back in my day, all electronics had to stay in your locker except your calculator, including pagers, personal organizers and for the very few kids who were wealthy enough to have one, phones as well. This would be about the time that Motorola and Nokia were selling giant bricks that they called phones. Edit: and no, school…

Also as an American, my experience was that the majority of high school students didn't care about the rules on phones. I attended high school when Motorola Razr flip phones were the hot new technology, and kids used them in class all time. People learned how to do T9 texts without looking so they could slip their hand into a backpack or pocket during class. There were even ringtones high pitched enough that adults typically didn't hear them. All of this under the threat of phones being confiscated if caught.

I'm not defending the use of cell phones in class. But there have to be more effective ways to reduce their use among students rather than simply banning them.

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

caseyy wrote: post #57

I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago, and I have 50% more motivation, 50% more headspace to focus on things, and 50% better moods most days. The attention economy, especially in social media, is a plague. It wasn't always this way. I did digital detoxes every few years for about two decades. For most of that time, there were always subtle positive impacts of switching off. But nowadays, the positive effects ar…

how do you deal with otp, mfa, mandatory id scans, face scans, compulsory apps, etc.?

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Post by bdangubic »

johnchristopher wrote: post #63
caseyy wrote: post #57

I threw away my smartphone 4-ish months ago, and I have 50% more motivation, 50% more headspace to focus on things, and 50% better moods most days. The attention economy, especially in social media, is a plague. It wasn't always this way. I did digital detoxes every few years for about two decades. For most of that time, there were always subtle positive impacts of switching off. But nowadays, the positive effects ar…

What did you replace it with (if you did edit: scratch that, I brain froze and was thinking of "did you replace it with a regular phone") ? Most accounts I read of people ditching their smartphones mentioned they started carrying an ultra light laptop or small candy bar computer (for instance). Basically increasing inconvenience to reduce usage.

you can accomplish a whole lot of the same keeping the phone and deleting all social media apps and accounts (what I did). I still use my phone as a map and camera and many other things … my screentime went from 7+ hours to hardly ever over 40 minutes daily

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

paulddraper wrote: post #58
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

Replace shooting with fire, flood, earthquake, tornado, etc IMO the objection is dumb regardless, but maybe that will help translate.

Fires, floods, earthquakes, tornadoes do not happen several times a week in the US, unlike mass shootings.

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Post by ta988 »

getnormality wrote: post #56
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

Do people really think this way? In good faith? They have such a high sense of risk from school shootings that they have to organize their daily activities around that possibility, regardless of whether it may be ruining the learning environment, the entire nominal purpose of school?

Yes it is really part of the thought processes of people I have met too. Really strange how the reality can be distorted to make room for guns.

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

tzs wrote: post #41

I didn't see anything about what the mechanism might be. Why would not having a smartphone in school affect sleep time, which I presume occurs at home? As a guess maybe without a smartphone the students pay attention more in class, which leads to them completing homework faster, meaning less having to stay up late for that? I'm guessing UK schools do give homework, because Hogwarts gives homework and I presume JK Row…

Doesn’t screw up your dopamine system

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Post by bdangubic »

zdragnar wrote: post #59
chollida1 wrote: post #35

In Ontario/Canada schools banned cell phones with much of any issue at all this year. My friends in the US seems shocked at the fact that kids couldn't have a phone during class hours. When I asked why their main issue was that if kids cell phones were in their lockers, how would they text their parents to say they were ok when their school had a shooting. Which just goes to show how much your environment affects you…

As an American, I'm at a loss trying to figure out when phones started being allowed in school. Back in my day, all electronics had to stay in your locker except your calculator, including pagers, personal organizers and for the very few kids who were wealthy enough to have one, phones as well. This would be about the time that Motorola and Nokia were selling giant bricks that they called phones. Edit: and no, school…

rare as in 1,200+ in the last 4 years… https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings

that’s about 1,200 more than parents worry about anything else

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