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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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> Canada might not be the worst but their healthcare only cover 60-70% of canadians' need. And it's slowly getting worse with the private sector eating the market. What's that figure based on?

Wikipedia has a very exhaustive page regarding Canada's healthcare system, and a large section at the end about its flaws and problems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada

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Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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> Canada might not be the worst but their healthcare only cover 60-70% of canadians' need. And it's slowly getting worse with the private sector eating the market. What's that figure based on?

Wikipedia has a very exhaustive page regarding Canada's healthcare system, and a large section at the end about its flaws and problems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada

I was asking about that figure in particular. I thought it was an actual statistic.

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Very sorry about your wife. I think MAID is great, not perfect and going to have some kinks but it means well and hopefully those who want it can access it.

It was sad indeed. Every entity from bacteria to man faces their eventual end - bacteria have no funerary overhead and keep few records. We humans anticipate and fight against this terminal state. I suspect there will come a time when the human neurome will be mapped, but it might be sooner than we think. Once mapped = copied in silica/positronium? and there it/we can endure? Might be boring - we have a clock speed of ~~13 hertz, what if we upclock to 13 Ghz = every second the meat wakes = 1,000,000,000 silicon ticks, as I say = boring. Of course we will evolve games/puzzles/tasks/jobs to fill this time, and a smart code loop might enslave us = eternal bit bondage somewhere on the bitcoin chain gang. https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2024/12/09/298-...

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Are you calling for nonconsensual human experiments that will (depending on the outcome) either inflict grave emotional injury onto people who are already so badly injured that they want to die, or that'll be used as a justification for stripping people of their bodily autonomy?

Yes, like catching people with nets who jump off bridges (and a vast majority are thankful of it).

Catching people who jump off bridges doesn't involve lying to people who're entrusting you with their very last bit hope.

> and a vast majority are thankful of it

A statistic that (assuming it's true) suffers from the obvious self-selection bias of people who chose to jump off a bridge knowing there was a net to catch their fall.

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Forgive me, but your last sentence seems like a platitude. What would such institutions look like, and how might they reduce the suffering of someone with, say, advanced dementia? I'm not trying to have a go btw - it genuinely seems an intractable problem to me.

I think dementia and euthanasia is already legally and morally very complicated so not sure that is the best example. I do think that dementia often causes problems due to strain on caregivers and cost of outside help. If you have systems of support and resources for these caregivers, then fewer people would be inclined to end their lives to avoid becoming such a huge burden. If you legalize euthanasia and have good…

Thanks for replying! I agree with you.

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

It’s perverse and demonic. Many people have the worst days or weeks or years that they look back on and are grateful for the life they live later, physically disabled, paralyzed, elderly, etc. During the darkest of times is when we have to care for each other, not offer a knife so to speak. Even when many during these times would’ve wanted to die and suffer greatly. It’s part of life. This is absolutely sick in a civ…

Being grateful for a miserable life marginally improving does not negate otherwise unavoidable prolonged suffering.

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Yes, like catching people with nets who jump off bridges (and a vast majority are thankful of it).

MAID is the net in the context of impulse driven suicide. If a person’s natural death is not reasonably foreseeable, there is a 90 day assessment period.

The government defines reasonable to save money. I’m surprised at people who think bureaucrats like those from the motor vehicle licensing departments will be able to handle such decisions.

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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I mean if you replace "taxes" with "profits" you have the current American healthcare system. Condemning people to die from a lack of treatment in order to save on profits.

That does not make any sense. Old people’s healthcare gets paid by the US government, literally everyone up and down the healthcare chain earns more profit by extending someone’s life who would rather die.

Wait, so if you cut out the middleman, doctors would make more money keeping people alive and the government would pay for it? Huh that's the opposite of "death panels".

Meanwhile private insurers definitely deny coverage to people with chronic illnesses (not everyone who is sick or dying is on Medicare/Medicaid). In a single-payer system those folks wouldn't slip through the cracks and .... the doctors would be incentivized to keep them alive! (assuming doctors are profit-motivated sociopaths like your average HN poster)

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

I don't want my health holding back my family or depleting my wealth. I am 100% for MAID. If you have ever had persistent pain you know how little of it is required before you want to check out. People should be able when they want to.
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