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Doing what exactly? What industry could Mars possibly support profitably?
Yeah and Mars is a shitty place to live. And will always be a shitty place to live. No amount of fantastical "terraforming" is going to create a magnetosphere.
Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit
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#354For-profit isn't the problem. Lying about being non-profit to raise funds, and _then_ become for-profit, that's the underlying concern.
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#355Maybe a weird question, but how does a capitalist economy work where AGI-performed-labor is categorically less expensive than human-performed labor? Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?
None of these people live with empathy, they are all on their own narrative which if it does account for other people is them trying to speed run the story path where everyone hero worships them.
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#356From Musk's email: "Frankly, what surprises me is that the AI community is taking this long to figure out concepts. It doesn’t sound super hard. High-level linking of a large number of deep nets sounds like the right approach or at least a key part of the right approach." Genuine question I've always had is, are these charlatans conscious of how full of shit they are, or are they really high on their own stuff? Also…
I came here thinking about this exact part. Well, many of them, but this one in particularly.
What surprises me about Elon is how much he can talk about other peoples' work without doing any of it himself. And yet each time I hear him talk about something I'm well-versed in, he sounds fairly oblivious yet totally unaware of that fact.
His go-to strategy seems to be hand waving with a bit of "how hard could it be"?
He's very fortunate he has competent staff.
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> Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? Yes, frequently and loudly. When Altman was collecting the award at Cambridge the other year, protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk/Q&A session, and he actively empathised with the protestors . > So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return, and no obvious large-scale product-market fit, much l…
> protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk I’m going to guess that GP does not consider random protestors to be in Sam Altman’s ‘sphere’ > The product market fit is fantastic. This is true insomuch that you define “product market fit” as “somebody mentioning it in an Indian restaurant in Berlin” > every definition of "very smart" Every definition you say? https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3lclo77…
When I was growing up, "very smart" people had a law degree or a medical degree or understood quantum physics and/or relativity (but all three would be silly), or spoke perhaps three or four languages (but thirty would be a joke). They might perhaps also be above average at games of skill like chess, or perhaps could improvise poetry in some specific style (but every style would be a bit of a Mary Sue).
I may not trust ChatGPT's medical diagnosis or legal analysis, but it does pass those exams; I may not expect much novel insights about unifying QM and GR, but it seems to "know" the topics well enough for people to worry it may lead to cheating in those subjects and most others besides.
And the chess score may not be the absolute best, but it's way above the average human player.
And it seems entirely adequate in quite a lot of languages (though not native), and most styles of poetry (again, not what anyone would call the Nobel committee for, but way above what most people can dream of).
> https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3lclo77koj22y
We also didn't have spellcheck running all the time when I was growing up, and when we did there was quite a lot of red, but even that misses things like "I'm applying for collage" and "what lovely wether*" which were also real mistakes made by actual humans.
* spelled like that it means "castrated ram"
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#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? Yes, frequently and loudly. When Altman was collecting the award at Cambridge the other year, protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk/Q&A session, and he actively empathised with the protestors . > So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return, and no obvious large-scale product-market fit, much l…
> The product market fit is fantastic. This isn't the first time I've heard random strangers discussing it in public. Hardly the evidence of PMF. There is always something new in the zeitgeist, that every one is talking about, some more so than others . 2 years before it was VR, few years before that NFTs and blockchain everything, before that it was self driving cars before that personal voice assistants like Siri a…
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AI probably has more capacity to be incorporated into many things than microwaves.
I will bite, going with your analogy comparing to electricity on the other end of the spectrum. electricity is not ubiquitous in many parts of the global south full 130 years. The common definition is- access to electricity source that can provide very basic lighting, and charge a phone or power a radio for 4 hours per day. Not even grid connected. Even with this basic definition there is still full 660 million peopl…