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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Doing what exactly? What industry could Mars possibly support profitably?

Yeah and Mars is a shitty place to live. And will always be a shitty place to live. No amount of fantastical "terraforming" is going to create a magnetosphere.

That sounds bad until you consider all the other alternatives.

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It reappeared as e-bikes and e-scooters - Lime, Bird, etc.

more as hoverboard, onewheel etc. the e-bikes and e-scooters don't really have similar balancing mechanisms

yeah, didn't even remember those, but that's even more on point

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Maybe a weird question, but how does a capitalist economy work where AGI-performed-labor is categorically less expensive than human-performed labor? Do most people who labor for wages just go unemployed, and then bankrupt, and then die?

I am pretty convinced that's the outcome. Too much credit to say that is their plan, I think they frankly don't care as long as they get to win, control and increase their power within their circles.

None of these people live with empathy, they are all on their own narrative which if it does account for other people is them trying to speed run the story path where everyone hero worships them.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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From Musk's email: "Frankly, what surprises me is that the AI community is taking this long to figure out concepts. It doesn’t sound super hard. High-level linking of a large number of deep nets sounds like the right approach or at least a key part of the right approach." Genuine question I've always had is, are these charlatans conscious of how full of shit they are, or are they really high on their own stuff? Also…

> Frankly, what surprises me is that the AI community

I came here thinking about this exact part. Well, many of them, but this one in particularly.

What surprises me about Elon is how much he can talk about other peoples' work without doing any of it himself. And yet each time I hear him talk about something I'm well-versed in, he sounds fairly oblivious yet totally unaware of that fact.

His go-to strategy seems to be hand waving with a bit of "how hard could it be"?

He's very fortunate he has competent staff.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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> Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? Yes, frequently and loudly. When Altman was collecting the award at Cambridge the other year, protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk/Q&A session, and he actively empathised with the protestors . > So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return, and no obvious large-scale product-market fit, much l…

> protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk I’m going to guess that GP does not consider random protestors to be in Sam Altman’s ‘sphere’ > The product market fit is fantastic. This is true insomuch that you define “product market fit” as “somebody mentioning it in an Indian restaurant in Berlin” > every definition of "very smart" Every definition you say? https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3lclo77…

> Every definition you say?

When I was growing up, "very smart" people had a law degree or a medical degree or understood quantum physics and/or relativity (but all three would be silly), or spoke perhaps three or four languages (but thirty would be a joke). They might perhaps also be above average at games of skill like chess, or perhaps could improvise poetry in some specific style (but every style would be a bit of a Mary Sue).

I may not trust ChatGPT's medical diagnosis or legal analysis, but it does pass those exams; I may not expect much novel insights about unifying QM and GR, but it seems to "know" the topics well enough for people to worry it may lead to cheating in those subjects and most others besides.

And the chess score may not be the absolute best, but it's way above the average human player.

And it seems entirely adequate in quite a lot of languages (though not native), and most styles of poetry (again, not what anyone would call the Nobel committee for, but way above what most people can dream of).

> https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3lclo77koj22y

We also didn't have spellcheck running all the time when I was growing up, and when we did there was quite a lot of red, but even that misses things like "I'm applying for collage" and "what lovely wether*" which were also real mistakes made by actual humans.

* spelled like that it means "castrated ram"

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Sam Altman said this around a year ago: "i expect ai to be capable of superhuman persuasion well before it is superhuman at general intelligence, which may lead to some very strange outcomes". I am wondering whether AI has any input for this piece that tries to persuade the public to believe the people that are accusing me is not good either.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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post #128

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> Is nobody in these very rich guys' spheres pushing back on their thought process? Yes, frequently and loudly. When Altman was collecting the award at Cambridge the other year, protesters dropped in on the after-award public talk/Q&A session, and he actively empathised with the protestors . > So far we are multiple years in with much investment and little return, and no obvious large-scale product-market fit, much l…

> The product market fit is fantastic. This isn't the first time I've heard random strangers discussing it in public. Hardly the evidence of PMF. There is always something new in the zeitgeist, that every one is talking about, some more so than others . 2 years before it was VR, few years before that NFTs and blockchain everything, before that it was self driving cars before that personal voice assistants like Siri a…

Did you really just compare the thing that makes me able to code and ship 5x faster to... NFTs?

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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AI probably has more capacity to be incorporated into many things than microwaves.

I will bite, going with your analogy comparing to electricity on the other end of the spectrum. electricity is not ubiquitous in many parts of the global south full 130 years. The common definition is- access to electricity source that can provide very basic lighting, and charge a phone or power a radio for 4 hours per day. Not even grid connected. Even with this basic definition there is still full 660 million peopl…

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