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Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by Havoc »

Not 100% close to the facts, but from a cursory read this seems deeply dishonest on OpenAI's part to me.

Musk appears to be objecting to a structure having profit driven players ("YC stock along with a salary") directly in the nonprofit...and is suggestion moving it to a parallel structure.

That's seems like a perfectly valid and frankly ethically/governance sound point to raise. The fact that he mentions incentives specifically to me suggests he was going down that line of reasoning outlined above.

Framing that as "Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit"...idk...maybe I'm missing something here, but dishonest framing is definitely the word that comes to mind.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by vineyardmike »

ronsor wrote: post #3

I like this practice of publicly airing out dirty laundry.

It’s certainly in response to Elon getting more involved in the government.

Recently the CFO basically challenged him to try and use his influence against competition “I trust that Elon would act completely appropriately… and not un-American [by abusing his influence for personal gain]”.

The best thing they can do is shine as much light on his behavior in the hope that he backs down to avoid further scrutiny. Now that Elon is competing, and involved with the government, he’ll be under a lot more scrutiny.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by freedomben »

> You can’t sue your way to AGI. We have great respect for Elon’s accomplishments and gratitude for his early contributions to OpenAI, but he should be competing in the marketplace rather than the courtroom.

Isn't that exactly what he's doing with x.ai? Grok and all that? IIRC Elon has the biggest GPU compute cluster in the world right now, and is currently training the next major version of his "competing in the marketplace" product. It will be interesting to see how this blog post ages.

I'm not dismissing the rest of the post (and indeed I think they make a good case on Elon's hypocrisy!) but the above seems at best like a pretty massive blindspot which (if I were invested in OpenAI) would cause me some concern.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by Vespasian »

claudiulodro wrote: post #15
moralestapia wrote: post #7

Yes ... and? The part that raises eyebrows is how a non-profit suddenly become a for-profit, from a legal standpoint.

I think it's supposed to be juxtaposed to this tweet of his: > I’m still confused as to how a non-profit to which I donated ~$100M somehow became a $30B market cap for-profit. If this is legal, why doesn’t everyone do it?

Well apparently that's a very bold faced lie if the timeline claimed by sam altman is even close to being plausible.

Elon Musks image is, for some reason beyond me, one of a "common man" who doesnt know all that much about business (and he's trying to pander to Twitter fans with that).

Even more fascinating is that people are apparently buying into it. As if you can just stumble into that much business success (besides inheriting) without having a very firm grasp on how the corperate structures behind it work.

Re: Elon Musk wanted an OpenAI for-profit

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Post by hermannj314 »

A few weeks ago my OpenAI credits expired and I was billed to replace them. I had no idea this was the business model, fine you got me with your auto-renew scam because you decided my tokens were spoiled.

At some point, OpenAI became who they said they werent. You can't even get chatgpt to do anything fun anymore as the lawyers have hobbled its creative expression.

And now they want to fight with Elon over what they supposedly used to believe about money back in 2017.

Who actually deserves our support going forward?

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