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Post by mandmandam »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #855
circlefavshape wrote: post #825

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> Still, most people cannot tell reality from fiction. If you just tell them it’s real, they’ll most likely believe it. This goes for conversation too! My neighbour recently told me about a mutual neighbour who walks 200 miles per day working on his farm. When I explained that this is impossible he said "I'll have to disagree with you there"

That's a cultural issue that seems to have developed in the past years (decades? idk), where people take their own opinion (or what they think is their own opinion) as unchallengeable gospel. In my opinion anyway, I'm gonna have to disagree with any counterpoints in advance.

What's weird is the projection you get when you challenge someone's opinion in any way. All of a sudden, you're the arrogant one who thinks they're always right, no matter how diplomatic (or undeniably correct) about the issue you are. Or is that just me?

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Post by Der_Einzige »

letmevoteplease wrote: post #527
robotresearcher wrote: post #215

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> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

Shane Carruth (Primer) released interesting scripts for "A Topiary" and "The Modern Ocean" which now have no hope of being filmed. I hope AI can bring them to life someday. If we get tools like ControlNet for video, maybe Carruth could even "direct" them himself.

Controlnet for video is just controlnet but ran frame by frame resulting in AI Rotoscoping.

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Post by mattmaroon »

oblio wrote: post #637
mattmaroon wrote: post #589

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I disagree. Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns, but you can’t just have a tank, fighter jet, or ICBM. Some tools are a lot more powerful than others and we have to take special care with them.

> Analogous would be how we have very limited regulations on guns This is strictly limited to the US. In most advanced democracies you need a stack of papers to get even a small handgun.

Right but a gun can be had and presumably a nuclear warhead can’t, so even in countries who call the wrong sport “football” the law takes into account that some tools need to be regulated more than others.

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Post by Jerrrry »

solfox wrote: post #879
underdeserver wrote: post #872

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I think as these things will get bigger and better much faster than we can learn to discern.

With zero doubt. Faster than we expect. And yet, it's nice that we are learning to distrust what we see before the "real real" stuff comes out.

Very convenient for those who are waiting for the waters to get muddier.

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Post by cess11 »

Quekid5 wrote: post #846
cess11 wrote: post #840

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A precondition is likely that one has mainly watched CGI-heavy movies for most of one's life. Compared to old school analog movies or fairly raw photography that looks as fake as the Coca-Cola Santa. There's a rather obvious lack of detail that real photography would have catched.

> A precondition is likely that one has mainly watched CGI-heavy movies for most of one's life. Indeed, a great (if counterintuitive) example of this is The Wolf of Wall Street. I bet a lot of people would be surprised at just how much CGI is used in that just for set/location.

Sure, it's like a weird dream where sometimes shadows don't come from the sun and the scenery has this absurd, acutely unreal polish.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

staticman2 wrote: post #227
TeMPOraL wrote: post #133

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> They may not match exactly what the writer had in mind, but they are fit for purpose. That's what GenAI is doing, too. After all, the audience only sees the final product; they never get know what the writer had in mind.

I haven't used SORA, but none of the GenAI I'm aware of could produce a competent comic book. When a human artist draws a character in a house in panel 1, they'll draw the same house in panel 2, not a procedurally generated different house for each image. If a 60 year old grizzled detective is introduced in page 1, a human artist will draw the same grizzled detective in page 2, 3 and so on, not procedurally generate…

Btw there’s a way to match characters in a batch in the forge webUI which guarantees that all images in the batch have the same figure in it. Trivial to implement this in all other image generators. This critique is baseless.

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Post by einsteinx2 »

LanceJones wrote: post #65
iamleppert wrote: post #48

Yawn, there are literally 10 different apps and wannabe startups that do video generation and AI videos have already flooded social media. This doesn't look any better than what is and has been already available to the masses. OpenAI announced this ages ago and never did give people access, now competitors have already captured the AI generated video for social media slop market. We have yet to see any kind of AI cre…

So you're saying there is literally nothing good about Sora?

Unless we’re reading completely different comments, that’s not at all what they said. They said OpenAI waited too long to release it and their competitors beat them to the punch with similar quality offerings and have already cornered the social media AI slop market.

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Post by einsteinx2 »

zb3 wrote: post #97
zb3 wrote: post #95

no API = not good enough no pay per use = overpriced

not available in the EU = might use everything you did there against you, sell that data to the higgest bidder

I was under the impression that the EU had other regulations related to AI generated content that affects OpenAI and presumably Sora other than just privacy stuff.

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Post by espadrine »

lelandfe wrote: post #285
pen2l wrote: post #80

Every day that passes I grow fonder of Google's decision to delay or otherwise keep a lot of this under the wraps. The other day I was scrolling down on YouTube shorts and a couple videos invoked an uncanny valley response from me (I think it was a clip of an unrealistically large snake covering some hut) which was somehow fascinating and strange and captivating, and then scrolling down a few more, again I saw someth…

I saw my first AI video that completely fooled commenters: https://imgur.com/a/cbjVKMU This was not marked as AI-generated and commenters were in awe at this fuzzy train, missing the "AIGC" signs. I'm quite nervous for the future.

> I'm quite nervous for the future.

Videos like these were already achievable through VFX.

The only difference here is a reduction in costs. That does mean that more people will produce misinformation, but the problem is one that we have had time to tackle, and which gave rise to Snopes and many others.

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Post by thereddaikon »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #873
solfox wrote: post #869

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On the other hand, because these tools like this are being made available before output is perfected, you and many others are being trained in AI discernment; being able to detect fake things will be a helpful skill to have for some time: another form of critical thinking. It would be FAR worse if a privately held advanced AI's outputs were unleashed without the population being at least somewhat cautious of everythi…

>you and many others are being trained in AI discernment HN is a hyper specialized group of people. The average person can not do this and as we've seen devours up misinformation with no second thoughts.

On one hand, I like to think that society is getting trained to recognize AI and distrust it. But at the same time my retired boomer parents are over for the holidays and I catch them watching youtube videos completely oblivious to the fact it's an AI voice and just reading an LLM generated script with B roll for eye candy. Often times it's just stolen auto generated captions from larger creators regurgitated by an AI voice. I'll point it out and they don't believe me that the voice is fake.
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