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Anyone else find this stuff extremely distasteful? "Disrupting" creativity and art feels like it goes against our humanity.

The past few years' innovation in AI has roughly been split into two camps for me. LLMs -- Awesome and useful. Disruptive, and somewhat dangerous, but probably more good than harm if we do it right. 'Generative art' (i.e. music generation, image generation, video generation) -- Why? Just why? The 'art' is always good enough to trick most humans at a glance but clearly fake, plastic, and soulless when you look a bit c…

I understand your take but it's only going to get better and incredibly fast.

I'm a huge film nerd and I can only dream of a future where I could use these type of tools (but more advanced) to create short films about ideas I've had.

It's very exciting to me

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I got lucky and got in moments after it launched, managed to get a video of "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" and then the queue times jumped up (my second video has been in the queue for 20+ minutes already) and the https://sora.com site now says "account creation currently unavailable" Here's my pelican video: https://simonwillison.net/2024/Dec/9/sora/

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Wow this is bad. And by bad i mean worse than leading open source and existing alternatives. Is it me or does it seem like OpenAI revolutionized with both chatGPT and Sora, but they've completely hit the ceiling? Honestly a bit surprised it happened so fast!

Same goes with DALLE. It was cool to try it the first week or so but now the output is so much worse than Midjourney and stable diffusion. For me it can’t even generate straight lines and everything looks comic-ish.

DALL-E 3 image quality has always been subpar, but its prompt adherence is on par with FLUX. Midjourney has some of the worst prompt adherence, but some of the best image quality.

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It just plain isn't possible if you mean a prompt the size of what most people have been using lately, in the couple hundred character range. By sheer information theory, the number of possible interpretations of "a zoom in on a happy dog catching a frisbee" means that you can not match a particular clip out of the set with just that much text. You will need vastly more content; information about the breed, informati…

> Long term, you'll never have a coherent movie produced by stringing together a series of textual snippets because, again, that's just impossible. Why snippets? Submit a whole script the way a writer delivers a movie to a director. The (automated) director/DP/editor could maintain internal visual coherence, while the script drives the story coherence.

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Anyone else find this stuff extremely distasteful? "Disrupting" creativity and art feels like it goes against our humanity.

The past few years' innovation in AI has roughly been split into two camps for me. LLMs -- Awesome and useful. Disruptive, and somewhat dangerous, but probably more good than harm if we do it right. 'Generative art' (i.e. music generation, image generation, video generation) -- Why? Just why? The 'art' is always good enough to trick most humans at a glance but clearly fake, plastic, and soulless when you look a bit c…

There's this FinTech ad on the NYC subway right now. I can't remember the company, but the entire ad is just a picture of a guitar and some text.

Anyway, the guitar is AI generated, and it's really bad. There are 5 strings, which morph into 6 at the headstock. There's a trem bar jammed under the pickguard, somehow. There's a randomly placed blob on the guitar that is supposed to be a knob/button, but clearly is not. The pickups are visually distorted.

It's repulsive. You're trying to sell me on something, why would you put so little effort into your advertising? Why would you not just...take a picture of a real guitar? I so badly want to cover it up.

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Nothing I'm seeing here looks like it's going to destroy Hollywood. I could see this tool maybe being used for generating establishing shots (generate a sweeping drone shot of a lighthouse looking out over a stormy sea), but then the actual talent work in a scene will be way more sensitive. The little details matter so much, and this feels so far from getting all of that right. Sure, this is the worst it will ever be…

I'm not sure the little details are enough of a moat. Consider TikTok - people use cheap "special effects" to get the message across, e.g. if a man is playing a woman he might drape a towel over his head - it's silly and low quality but it gets the idea across to the viewer. Think too about programs like Archer or South Park that have (stylistically) low quality animation but still huge fan bases. What I think this w…

> What I think this will unlock, maybe with a bit of improvement, is low quality video generation for a vast number of people. Do you have a short film idea? Know people with some? Likely millions of people will be able to use this to put together good enough short films - that yes, have terrible details, but are still good enough to watch.

Sure, this is already happening on Reels, Tik Tok, etc. People are ok with low quality content on those platforms. Lazy AI will undoubtedly be more utilized here. But I don’t think it’s threatening Hollywood (well, aside from slowly destroying people’s attention spans for long form content, but that’s a different debate). People will still want high quality entertainment, even if they can also be satisfied with low fidelity stuff too.

I think this has always been true — think the difference between made for TV CGI and big-budget Hollywood movie CGI. Expectations are different in different mediums.

This current product is not good enough for Hollywood. As long as people have some desire for Hollywood level quality, this will not take those jobs.

The big caveat here is “yet” — when does this get good enough? And this is where my skepticism comes in, because the last mile is the hardest, and getting things mostly right isn’t really good enough for high quality content. (Remember how much the internet lost it over a Starbucks cup in Game of Thrones?)

The other caveat is maybe that our minds melt into stupidity to the point that we only watch things in low fidelity 10 seconds clips that AI can capably run amock with. In which case I don’t really think AI actually takes over Hollywood so much as Hollywood — effectively high fidelity long form content — just ceases to exist altogether. That is the sad timeline.

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Real artists take comic book scripts and turn them into actual comic books every month. They may not match exactly what the writer had in mind, but they are fit for purpose.

> They may not match exactly what the writer had in mind, but they are fit for purpose. That's what GenAI is doing, too. After all, the audience only sees the final product; they never get know what the writer had in mind.

I haven't used SORA, but none of the GenAI I'm aware of could produce a competent comic book. When a human artist draws a character in a house in panel 1, they'll draw the same house in panel 2, not a procedurally generated different house for each image.

If a 60 year old grizzled detective is introduced in page 1, a human artist will draw the same grizzled detective in page 2, 3 and so on, not procedurally generate a new grizzled detective each time.

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Yawn, there are literally 10 different apps and wannabe startups that do video generation and AI videos have already flooded social media. This doesn't look any better than what is and has been already available to the masses. OpenAI announced this ages ago and never did give people access, now competitors have already captured the AI generated video for social media slop market. We have yet to see any kind of AI cre…

From the few videos that I've seen, I would agree that it doesn't seem to be better than any of the major competitors such as Kling, Hailuo, Runway, etc.

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I've seen the quality of OpenAI engineers on Twitter and it's easy enough to extrapolate. Moreoever, neural networks are not black boxes, you're just parroting whatever you've heard on social media. The underlying theory is very simple.

Do not make assumptions about people you do not know in an attempt to discredit them. You seem to be a big fan of that. I have been working with NLP and neural networks since 2017. They aren’t just black boxes, they are _largely_ black boxes. When training an NN, you don’t have great control over what parts of the model does what or how. Now instead of trying to discredit me, would you mind answering my question? Esp…

Why would I give away the idea for free? How much do you want to pay for the implementation?
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