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Post by that_guy_iain »

vladgur wrote: post #854
that_guy_iain wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We will target all of Hamas's positions. We will turn Gaza into a deserted island. The fact, the Gaza part is a separate sentence is telling. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/world-is-watching-f... > You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza. Is what he said to Lebanon, where he threatened to do simila…

Does anyone have an original, in English or in Hebrew of what he said? Not a news source retelling or worse - translation

If you're going to try and argue semantics when there is literal evidence of him following through then there isn't really any point.

It's reported he said it, there is no denial that he said it, and then he delivered on what he said. There is a reason there is an arrest warrant out for war crimes.

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Post by YZF »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #449
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

My question, though, is does pushing these kinds of toothless resolutions make any difference beyond showing that the ICC essentially has no power to enforce its warrants? It's clear that the most powerful militaries in the world (US, Russia, essentially China too) have declared the "rules-based world order" dead. Does it do anyone any good to pretend this hasn't happened? It reminded me of the post Elizabeth Warren…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by aphantastic »

aphantastic wrote: post #212
blackhawkC17 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None actually. I just tried to illustrate the futility of this warrant.

Right. Your opening paragraph made it seem like you thought this was administration dependent. Few things bother me more than people who try to claim Biden/Harris was “good for ukraine” or “good for palestine”.

Have to wonder what compelled folks to do a drive by on the “I disagree” button. I wouldn’t have thought anything I said to be controversial amongst geopolitically aware individuals.

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

spacemadness wrote: post #788
tuyguntn wrote: post #219

If Netanyahu and Gallant declared as war criminals, does it also mean whoever helped them during the 2024 is complicit? Wondering what happens to so many Western leaders who supported Netanyahu unconditionally.

I wish. The US government has been an absolute disgrace in how we've handled support of Israel unflinchingly. I guess we didn't write enough sternly written letters while people were being forcibly starved to death.

Unflinchingly? Biden did a lot to restrict military aid/sales if weapons that would likely have lots of collateral damage.

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Post by JamesAdir »

jowea wrote: post #440
ComputerGuru wrote: post #33

Wow, this took a long time to come after the application for the warrants. 185 days compared to 23 days for Putin's arrest warrant — but then again, one was against the wishes of the USA and the west while the other was at their behest.

My guess is that it's simply a matter of how difficult it is to prove the issue. The Putin case was very simply because there is an official state program to do things that are considered genocide. Israel is at least pretending they are letting aid in.

Israel is not pretending. They've let in tons of aid, that is stolen by Hamans constantly. I want to remind you that an American soldier has died during the built of a humanitarian port by the US navy.

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Post by Cody-99 »

newspaper1 wrote: post #271
1024core wrote: post #267

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> they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are There's a reason why the US does not recognize the ICC.

Yes, because they want to operate outside the rule of international law.

US citizens/nationals/residents have rights that would be violated by an international court. For example, you can't have due process (as required by US law), a speedy trial, or a jury trial at the ICC. This makes the idea of handing people over to the ICC not only forbidden but wrong for obvious reasons.

Surely you don't expect people to give up these very fundamental rights so they could be tried in an international court?

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Post by alexlll862 »

burkaman wrote: post #292
bbqfog wrote: post #144

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I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but drawing any conclusions from random people on Twitter seems like a mistake. They might not be human, they might not be Israeli, and they might not be representative of Israel's 9 million people. I wouldn't want anybody to judge me based on how English-speaking Twitter accounts behave.

The IDF and elected islraelis officials were openly genicidal and bragged about killing civilians. It wasn't just random people.

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Post by geysersam »

YZF wrote: post #870
nabla9 wrote: post #12

(before you jump into discussion, remember that this only about these two individuals) ICC and the prosecutor are on very solid ground here. The prosecutor asked opinions from a impartial panel of experts in international law. The panel included people like Theodor Meron (former Legal adviser for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs), Helene Kennedy, Adrian Fulford. Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant provided plenty of ev…

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It's not serious to dismiss the allegations by just saying

> If Israel had intended to not supply any food or water to the Palestinians [...] the bottom line is they did not do so.

because several heavyweight international humanitarian organizations say that they did.

Even the US government implies this when they tell Israel to open border crossings or get cut off from military aid.

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