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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by feedforward »

xenospn wrote: post #372
ComputerGuru wrote: post #346

For context, this is only possible because the state of Palestine pushed hard and persisted for years to become an ICC member and thus give the ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed on Palestinian territory, whether by Israel or by Palestinian factions. The USA is still mad at them for doing it. The full account is worth reading, it includes considerations by the various resistance factions that they’d also be subje…

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The New York Times and Haaretz reported in the summer and autumn of last year (just prior to the current flareup), Netanyahu had sent the Mossad head to Qatar in order to convince them to send money to prop up the Hamas government in Gaza. As Netanyahu said publicly in 2012, he wanted Hamas strong and the Palestinian Authority and Fatah weak, as the PA was pursuing measures at the United Nations.

You're pointing the finger at the State of Palestine and "any Muslim country", when the real supporters of Hamas for years has been Israel and Netanyahu.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by tguvot »

gspencley wrote: post #506
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

> If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are. I don't know if I agree with this. If the ICC is an honest organization that stands for individual rights, liberty and justice then sure. If, on the other hand, the ICC is a corrupt organization that invites the worst o…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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feedforward wrote: post #531
xenospn wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The New York Times and Haaretz reported in the summer and autumn of last year (just prior to the current flareup), Netanyahu had sent the Mossad head to Qatar in order to convince them to send money to prop up the Hamas government in Gaza. As Netanyahu said publicly in 2012, he wanted Hamas strong and the Palestinian Authority and Fatah weak, as the PA was pursuing measures at the United Nations. You're pointing the…

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Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by that_guy_iain »

vladgur wrote: post #523
that_guy_iain wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> We will target all of Hamas's positions. We will turn Gaza into a deserted island.

The fact, the Gaza part is a separate sentence is telling.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/world-is-watching-f...

> You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza.

Is what he said to Lebanon, where he threatened to do similar things to another country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly3x1w0595o

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by cue_the_strings »

aguaviva wrote: post #489
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> have declared the "rules-based world order" dead I have hunker are confusing two things here - there is international law, which the US and other delinquents break regularly. And there is Rules based world order, which is what US talks about and attempts to impose. For example imposing sanctions on Russia does not have basis in international law, but is part of ‘rules based order’

For example imposing sanctions on Russia does not have basis in international law, Of course it does. Every country is free to choose which countries it does business with.

Bear in mind that most of the time, sanctions not only prevent you from doing business with the sanctioned entity, but also with any other entity that's doing business with them.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by phantompeace »

PaulHoule wrote: post #133
KSteffensen wrote: post #100

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I don't understand how a tiny country like Israel has become so important in global politics. By population Rwanda is ~30% larger than Israel.

They've worked really hard at it. Israel for instance has a special relationship with Germany because of remorse for the 1940s. This incident in the 1970s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre further gives Germany a reason to crack down on pro-Palestinian protestors. Although supporters of the Palestinians have not staged international attacks for a long time the history of this in the 1970s explains why my…

Not to mention Israel has been receiving absolutely immense amounts of financial, military and political support from the USA for decades, to the tunes of billions.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by pazimzadeh »

gspencley wrote: post #506
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #82

>In his first response to the ICC issuing a warrant for his arrest on allegations of war crimes, Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has described the ruling as “absurd and false lies” and said the decision is “antisemitic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/internati... If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have…

> If Netanyahu and Gallant really think they are innocent, and the allegations are absurd and false, they should cooperate with the ICC. Have your day in court and show how absurd the accusations are. I don't know if I agree with this. If the ICC is an honest organization that stands for individual rights, liberty and justice then sure. If, on the other hand, the ICC is a corrupt organization that invites the worst o…

what do you mean by 'invite to the table'? it's a criminal court, so it's going to deal with criminals

you're also assuming that israel is a good faith actor in all of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court#I...

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by loceng »

dang,

Any strange upvote/downvote activity going on in this thread?

Watching my own replies votes going up and down, makes me think of the "THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!" GIF: https://tenor.com/search/there-was-a-fire-fight-gifs

E.g. Going to 2 then down to 0, back up, back down and stabilizing again at 0; of course sophisticated coordinated activity will pace itself, even if across real users, as to not "waste their ammo" or be blatantly obvious; makes me wonder if there have been any studies analyzing this.. anywho. Back to life.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by megous »

djyaz1200 wrote: post #526

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Are you asking why 5 million people don't just accept total subjugation to Israel and renounce all desire for self-determination as a nation? Let themselves be subjugated to permanent occupation and political persecution? All in all to a state that rejects Palestinian right to ever try Israelis for any and all crimes they do to them, including war crimes and crimes against humanity? (that's what even several EU states effectively argued before ICC, when challenging the jurisdiction of the court)

Israel claims there will be no Palestinian state ever, because it's a percieved threat to Israel security. Knesset resolution claiming that was passed this year. And by that, for Israelis that's poof "no self-determination for 5 mil. people". No loss for Israelis, I guess in that. They'll not even let them be citizens of Israel, because democracy doesn't mean much to Israel. Israel has to be a Jewish state, not like half Jewish half Arab and soon majority arab looking at demographic growth...

I don't know? Maybe they really don't want this, and don't know how to get out of that situation created by Jews and their European "allies" back in first half of last century in any other way.

And please don't tell me you're presuming Israel to be the innocent and honest party in all this.

Re: ICC issues warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant, and Hamas officials

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Post by kdhusakdjhsadkj »

peppers-ghost wrote: post #76
dankai wrote: post #45

"The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare." Whats perhaps interesting to note is that this charge was made for "just" 41 [1] confirmed starvation deaths among a population of 2,141,643 people [2]. Of course every death caused by intentional starvation is a severe crime and must be puni…

"confirmed" data from Gaza at the moment is unreliable. The people who were doing the counting have either been killed or cleansed from the area. The official death toll is still around 40k despite the reality being closer to 100-200k.

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