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Ah okay. So I searched for the article which is here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/engl... The myth it is referring to is that there is a two-tiered system targeting white people. That's obviously a myth -- the notes are probably referring to instances where the Guardian has claimed that police treat racial minorities differently which is quite probably the case (happens everywhere else in…
Yeah. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42131043
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#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah okay. So I searched for the article which is here: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/engl... The myth it is referring to is that there is a two-tiered system targeting white people. That's obviously a myth -- the notes are probably referring to instances where the Guardian has claimed that police treat racial minorities differently which is quite probably the case (happens everywhere else in…
> there is a two-tiered system targeting white people. That's obviously a myth Except… That’s obviously not what Farage et al are saying. The claim is that white nationalists (verging on fringe(?) neo-nazi) protestors and rioters were treated more harshly than protestors and rioters belonging to other races or subscribing to other (also violent and radical) political (or religious) ideologies. It does not seem obviou…
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> As someone who purports to care so much about facts, how can you open with this statement? You just answered it, lol. Because I care about facts. > people are voting against this sort of cognitive dissonance disguised as arrogance, not for Trump. Right, the arrogance of pointing out things that are blatantly untrue. If you're trying to paint your side as anything but bumbling idiots, you're not doing a very good jo…
Ironically, you're attacking someone who is neither a Trump apologist nor voter. There are more than 2 uniform perspectives in the global stage of ideas. I imagine it's easier to argue with an imaginary Trump supporter (like you spent most of your comment doing) than engage civilly with the questions I posed you. Maybe you could use a break from the comments sections...
I answered your questions as best I could, but to be honest, I have very little patience on account of how stupid the questions were. I mean, it's not exactly groundbreaking news that Twitter is a dumpster fire and algorithms purposefully boost the most toxic content.
I'm working under the assumption you're playing stupid, which is actually rather charitable of me. The alternative would that you just are stupid.
But, because today I feel extra generous, I'll answer your incredibly naive question:
> Did you know you can unfollow him? How is this worse than where you get your news?
Social Media like X is specifically engineered to keep you on it via engagement. This means rage bait.
I know this because I've tried, very hard, to scrub my socials of politics. I am very disciplined, but even for me it is impossible. No matter what, I will get some pinhead saying women shouldn't vote or black people are genetically inferior. I can unfollow, I can click "not interested", doesn't matter.
The algorithm will, eventually, go back into showing me the most vile content imaginable, almost always extreme right-wing content.
The reason why is obvious - this content is extremely controversial and garners the most retention. Nobody cares about rainbows and butterflies, they care about skinheads and rapists.
The news, at least, does not feature this kind of content. The news, also, typically does not outright lie. Musk outright lies, almost always, but he's one example. If you go through the timeline of the typical right-wing pundit, almost none of their tweets are true.
The news isn't going to tell me Haitian immigrants are eating cats and dogs. Twitter, and evidently the president elect, will.
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Were they? They [Guardian] are now claiming that both groups are being treated the same when they were clearly claiming that that wasn’t the case earlier? Which exact groups they are talking about doesn’t really matter for this specific argument.
I don't think the Guardian article does claim that if you read it.
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Ironically, you're attacking someone who is neither a Trump apologist nor voter. There are more than 2 uniform perspectives in the global stage of ideas. I imagine it's easier to argue with an imaginary Trump supporter (like you spent most of your comment doing) than engage civilly with the questions I posed you. Maybe you could use a break from the comments sections...
I never attacked you, I said, quote "trump supporters" and "musk defenders". Do you identify with that? Because on one hand you say no, and on the other you say yes. I answered your questions as best I could, but to be honest, I have very little patience on account of how stupid the questions were. I mean, it's not exactly groundbreaking news that Twitter is a dumpster fire and algorithms purposefully boost the most…
Proceeds to be extremely toxic.
@dang
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The social platform doesn’t have a political opinion. Its owner does. Every owner of every company ever has had political opinions.
You're implying said owner doesn't influence the workings of the platform. He does.
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#357It's really hard to find serious journalism being done out there, and The Guardian is definitely not helping on that.
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#358The traditional news in their assessments on why the Democrats lost and Trump won seem to be focusing on platforms and sites. They think the content of a message and where the message appears is more important than the messaging or how a message is conveyed. The guardian will no longer post to twitter but they will keep on harvesting news from it and about it. On average every 3 days someone submits to HN an article…
I would say it's a strong net negative.
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> What value do they add for anyone? What about the example at the head of this comment chain? I think news sites did lose something without feedback. I can accept a chess pool with a single good comment to make up for it. So it does provide value for me and I disagree with the "lessons learned". Also, the legal risks of showing user content should be scraped for anything that is not explicitly illegal. We have infor…
> I can accept a chess pool with a single good comment to make up for it. Have fun with that. > the occasional comment in bad taste. That's a lot different than most social media.
I do, that is the argument.
It would also leave me better informed since the example clearly shows that the statements could benefit from a wider context. And this wouldn't be the only case.
If comments don't provide value for you, you can ignore them. No reason to remove them for everybody else too.
I stopped reading the Guardian a few years ago. It once had really good content. That changed significantly in my opinion.
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#360The traditional news in their assessments on why the Democrats lost and Trump won seem to be focusing on platforms and sites. They think the content of a message and where the message appears is more important than the messaging or how a message is conveyed. The guardian will no longer post to twitter but they will keep on harvesting news from it and about it. On average every 3 days someone submits to HN an article…
Social media largely feeds the petty culture war that substitutes for political dialog. I would say it's a strong net negative.