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Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by mmooss »

tim333 wrote: post #304
mmooss wrote: post #267

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> Counterpoints In the comments section of news websites, it wasn't counterpoints. It was just aggression, lies, toxicity, etc. The Financial Times is pretty rarefied air. Everyone must be subscribed, so no anonymity (I would guesss). How much does a subscription cost? $300+ per year?

You get some worthwhile commentary even on trashy sites (eg. Daily Mail, X) You just have to filter a bit. I'm find it kind of annoying when you can't comment on an article with obvious things wrong.

Most give you an option to contact the author. I've corresponded with a few - most of what they get is death threats, etc.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by mmooss »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #289
mmooss wrote: post #227

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IME the comments almost universally had no value, and were very often toxic. I wouldn't want that on my website - why? What value do they add for anyone? Nobody allows that on their website now - that was before many lessons were learned. HN doesn't allow anything like it (and never has, afaik).

> What value do they add for anyone? What about the example at the head of this comment chain? I think news sites did lose something without feedback. I can accept a chess pool with a single good comment to make up for it. So it does provide value for me and I disagree with the "lessons learned". Also, the legal risks of showing user content should be scraped for anything that is not explicitly illegal. We have infor…

> I can accept a chess pool with a single good comment to make up for it.

Have fun with that.

> the occasional comment in bad taste.

That's a lot different than most social media.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

consteval wrote: post #330
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #319

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“All the people flocking to Bluesky — were you outraged at the Covid censorship and Hunter Biden laptop election interference in October 2020?” And the same gaslighting was echoed here on HN as well, don’t hold your breath for any such acknowledgement though.

1. nobody cares about Hunter's laptop. Even the GOP doesn't care, they just pretend to care for outrage, meaning it's just rage bait. Hunter Biden isn't related to anything to do with politics 2. Covid censorship. In case we've all forgotten, over 500,000 Americans died due to Covid. There was a lot of misinformation spread around Covid. This misinformation costs lives. Now, granted, it's not necessarily intentional…

1. Maybe you don’t care but if nobody else cared then the entirety of legacy media would not have gone into overdrive to gaslight the American public about its existence.

2. I’m not aware of anyone telling people to inject bleach or horse tranquilizers. Have a citation for that? If not, you’re the one spreading misinformation.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by lend000 »

consteval wrote: post #327
lend000 wrote: post #232

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Is your X feed an unfiltered firehose of utter garbage? Mine isn't. That really only speaks to the fact that the algorithm finds that you are more likely to engage with garbage.

There're multiple problems here. If your feed was utter garbage, would you be able to tell? How often do you fact check tweets? For most people, I suspect it's close to never.

> If your feed was utter garbage, would you be able to tell?

Lol. Same way as you or anyone else calling it utter garbage.

As another comment on this thread points out, this is exactly what the Community Notes feature is for, and it's the real reason why the Guardian has been having such a rough time on X.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by consteval »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #333
consteval wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. nobody cares about Hunter's laptop. Even the GOP doesn't care, they just pretend to care for outrage, meaning it's just rage bait. Hunter Biden isn't related to anything to do with politics 2. Covid censorship. In case we've all forgotten, over 500,000 Americans died due to Covid. There was a lot of misinformation spread around Covid. This misinformation costs lives. Now, granted, it's not necessarily intentional…

1. Maybe you don’t care but if nobody else cared then the entirety of legacy media would not have gone into overdrive to gaslight the American public about its existence. 2. I’m not aware of anyone telling people to inject bleach or horse tranquilizers. Have a citation for that? If not, you’re the one spreading misinformation.

1. No it's not just me, nobody cared. It was feigned outrage. The GOP has been much more focused on Hunter Biden's large penis and crack addition. It's media fodder, nothing more.

2. You're not aware of Trump? I have next to no patience for those who intentionally play stupid. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/ivermectin-an...

My mistake, I've gotten ivermectin and ketamine mixed up. It's a horse dewormer, not a horse tranquilizer.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

consteval wrote: post #335
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Maybe you don’t care but if nobody else cared then the entirety of legacy media would not have gone into overdrive to gaslight the American public about its existence. 2. I’m not aware of anyone telling people to inject bleach or horse tranquilizers. Have a citation for that? If not, you’re the one spreading misinformation.

1. No it's not just me, nobody cared. It was feigned outrage. The GOP has been much more focused on Hunter Biden's large penis and crack addition. It's media fodder, nothing more. 2. You're not aware of Trump? I have next to no patience for those who intentionally play stupid. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/ivermectin-an... My mistake, I've gotten iver…

1. According to you

2. Bleach was debunked: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-inject-bleach-covid-...

It's not playing stupid, you're just not getting a free pass with this sort of rhetoric.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by consteval »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #336
consteval wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. No it's not just me, nobody cared. It was feigned outrage. The GOP has been much more focused on Hunter Biden's large penis and crack addition. It's media fodder, nothing more. 2. You're not aware of Trump? I have next to no patience for those who intentionally play stupid. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/ivermectin-an... My mistake, I've gotten iver…

1. According to you 2. Bleach was debunked: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-inject-bleach-covid-... It's not playing stupid, you're just not getting a free pass with this sort of rhetoric.

1. According to anyone paying attention. Again, if you actually look at the media coverage and what GOP members choose to talk about, it's mostly penis and crack.

Does penis and crack relate to democracy? No. Then this is objective. Additionally, Hunter is not even in politics. I mean, come ON now.

2. It was not "debunked". Many people believed that's what he said, and they spread that information around - this is called misinformation.

This isn't the only misinformation around Covid. There were people saying masks kills brain cells because of CO2 (false). There were people saying masks don't work and raise your risk of Covid (false). There were people saying the Covid vaccine makes you more likely to get Covid (false). There were people saying there are microchips in the Covid vaccine (false). And on and on.

Nobody is trying to censor conservatives. It's just that, well, 99% of the people saying this stuff are conservative. So where does that leave us?

> It's not playing stupid, you're just not getting a free pass with this sort of rhetoric.

No, it's playing stupid. None of this is groundbreaking information and I know that you already know it. If I have to tell you things you already know, that means you're playing stupid.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

consteval wrote: post #337
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. According to you 2. Bleach was debunked: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-inject-bleach-covid-... It's not playing stupid, you're just not getting a free pass with this sort of rhetoric.

1. According to anyone paying attention. Again, if you actually look at the media coverage and what GOP members choose to talk about, it's mostly penis and crack. Does penis and crack relate to democracy? No. Then this is objective. Additionally, Hunter is not even in politics. I mean, come ON now. 2. It was not "debunked". Many people believed that's what he said, and they spread that information around - this is ca…

This is obviously going nowhere, but things are a little different now anyway.

What was tried in 2020 and 2021 ultimately didn't work and it won't work going forward. Censorship is being deprecated.

You're free to say and think whatever you want. The good thing is, we all are.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by consteval »

lend000 wrote: post #334
consteval wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There're multiple problems here. If your feed was utter garbage, would you be able to tell? How often do you fact check tweets? For most people, I suspect it's close to never.

> If your feed was utter garbage, would you be able to tell? Lol. Same way as you or anyone else calling it utter garbage. As another comment on this thread points out, this is exactly what the Community Notes feature is for, and it's the real reason why the Guardian has been having such a rough time on X.

Right, by fact checking. If you fact check Elon's tweets and retweets, pretty much none of them are true. He, however, still has a large backing because the propaganda he promotes happens to be popular.

I don't know the true reason the Guardian left X. But I do know X is overrun with disinformation, racism, and outright reality denial. I left twitter a while ago, so I'm not in a position to judge the guardian.

Re: Why the Guardian is no longer posting on X

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Post by consteval »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #338
consteval wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. According to anyone paying attention. Again, if you actually look at the media coverage and what GOP members choose to talk about, it's mostly penis and crack. Does penis and crack relate to democracy? No. Then this is objective. Additionally, Hunter is not even in politics. I mean, come ON now. 2. It was not "debunked". Many people believed that's what he said, and they spread that information around - this is ca…

This is obviously going nowhere, but things are a little different now anyway. What was tried in 2020 and 2021 ultimately didn't work and it won't work going forward. Censorship is being deprecated. You're free to say and think whatever you want. The good thing is, we all are.

To be clear, I'm not pro-censorship. And, to further be clear, there is zero first amendment infringement when private corporations silence your voice. This is the free market at play.

I'm merely demonstrating why private companies chose to censor. Misinformation during a health crisis isn't free - it costs lives. They don't want to be responsible; they don't want that on their shoulders. So they just silenced the "vaccines cause autism!" crowd and moved on.

The reason conservatives are "targeted" is not because they're conservative, but rather because their platform is being based on lies more and more as time goes on. Science denial, conspiracy theories, a lack of care for human life - these tendencies are rampant in some conservative communities.

This isn't fixed going forward, it's only getting worse. It's gotten so bad that a lot of conservatives won't even listen to Trump. Seriously, they think quoting Trump is misinformation. This abject detachment from reality is very concerning to me. It's absolutely unnerving that you can't even ask conservatives for their own platform and beliefs anymore.

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