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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by wtcactus »

justin66 wrote: post #41
Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

> Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? They're basically observers when there are any other armed troops present. They have small arms, everybody else has rockets, missiles, or tanks.

Why are they there then? Seems they are willingly serving as human shields to prevent Israel from retaliating against Hezbollah attacks.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by mlazos »

tzs wrote: post #56
Cyph0n wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger problem is that these lies spread “like wildfire” via Western media outlets - with zero fact checking or confirmation. These images were then used to justify the rampage in Gaza. As far as I am aware, not a single Western media rag has issued an apology for this. In many of our eyes, never again will they be able to claim credibility or professionalism in their reporting. In addition, Western rags took Isr…

What do you think the Israeli response to Oct 7 should have been?

I think they could start with not destroying hospitals and schools and doing better than “at least 1/3 of the 40k people killed were militants.” Israel , the most moral army in the world /s, thinks that two citizens killed for every militant killed is an acceptable ratio, it’s not.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-m...

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by wtcactus »

dragonwriter wrote: post #16
NomDePlum wrote: post #15

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There's absolutely no evidence of UN forces being used as human shields. There's clear evidence, including that cited in the article, of the situation being very different from the claims/report of the IDF. The most credible reason for Israel wanting Unfil to vacate is less impartial observers.

The most credible reason for Israel to want UNIFIL to vacate is that UNIFIL’s mission is to help keep unauthorized military forces out of South Lebanon, and Israel’s invasion force is decidedly unauthorized.

I would think that a people that was close to extinction through genocide only 80 years ago, cares little about what other people authorizes them to do in order to protect themselves.

They were attacked from Lebanon, they retaliate. It’s quite simple.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by o999 »

Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

"Israel has also said.."

Come on..!?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by throwaway920333 »

invalidname wrote: post #140
7thpower wrote: post #82

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Israel has far more influence in the US than the US does in Israel. It is very clear that the current administration is backed into a corner and trying to make the best of the situation. FWIW: This is not a knock against the current administration.

This is often repeated but is historically VERY incorrect. Yes, Israel does lobbying in the states and does influence (like every other country). The current Israeli government is indeed terrible and blatant at that. However, Israel left Gaza in 2005 with no deal as part of US pressure (which led to the current situation). Israel offered a Palestinians a country which included east Jerusalem twice based on US pressur…

Israel never left Gaza. They surrounded it. They controlled the entire land border and didn't let ships sail or planes take off from Gaza. It's as if, after a prison riot, all of the guards just said fuck 'em and decamped to a perimeter around the prison with machine guns with orders to shoot to kill. Gaza is way too small and densely populated to be remotely self-sufficient.

Now, just to short-circuit the reply chain, you're going to say that Hamas would have just used the borders to move in weapons. Sure, that's true. In fact, they dug a bunch of tunnels under the Israeli controlled border crossings and smuggled in a bunch of weapons. Normal stuff like food and medicine though were constantly blocked or delayed.

By the way, I don't know how to solve this problem well at this point. Both sides have done enough evil shit to each other that they will want to kill each other for generations. Israel though, has never withdrawn from Gaza, and Israel has never agreed to abide by the terms of UN Resolution 242 that obligates them to withdraw from the 1967 occupied territories. What I expect to happen based on the ground reality and statements from members of the Israeli government is that the Palestinians in Gaza will either die or have their lives be made so intolerable that they leave, and then Israel will annex the land, just as they have in Jerusalem and many areas of the West Bank.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by weatherlite »

throwaway920333 wrote: post #155
invalidname wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is often repeated but is historically VERY incorrect. Yes, Israel does lobbying in the states and does influence (like every other country). The current Israeli government is indeed terrible and blatant at that. However, Israel left Gaza in 2005 with no deal as part of US pressure (which led to the current situation). Israel offered a Palestinians a country which included east Jerusalem twice based on US pressur…

Israel never left Gaza. They surrounded it. They controlled the entire land border and didn't let ships sail or planes take off from Gaza. It's as if, after a prison riot, all of the guards just said fuck 'em and decamped to a perimeter around the prison with machine guns with orders to shoot to kill. Gaza is way too small and densely populated to be remotely self-sufficient. Now, just to short-circuit the reply chai…

Israel did withdraw from Lebanon though, this wasn't effective at all at promoting peace as we're now seeing, and same thing has happened in Gaza; Israel did uproot all the settlers from Gaza and there was no single Israeli soldier left in Gaza - you can say the Gaza withdrawal was incomplete but saying it never happened at all is incorrect. Unfortunately Israelis only learned that withdrawals from enemies who have sworn to destroy you only make things worse for them.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by [deleted] »

cherry_tree wrote: post #126
Sam713 wrote: post #21

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Not disputing general truthfulness of Israeli government, but specifically as to the latter two examples you listed: A) There is no direct evidence that Israeli government publicly stated that babies were beheaded. That claim came from a single journalist, spread like wildfire on social media (as did tons of videos and footage of the attacks), and was exacerbated by a statement Biden made. B) there is very credible e…

> there is very credible evidence that rape did occur > FIRST ACCOUNT PANTS PULLED DOWN >But it turns out that what Otmazgin thought had occurred in the home at the kibbutz hadn’t happened. > SECOND ACCOUNT: EVERYTHING WAS CHARRED > Yossi Landau, a longtime ZAKA volunteer, was also working in Be’eri when he entered a home that would produce the second debunked story I urge people to read the article rather than take…

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by weatherlite »

throwaway9917 wrote: post #119
dlubarov wrote: post #116

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Has the US asked for a base? They do have Site 512, not a typical base but still a base. In many ways Israel does the US' dirty work, like crippling Hezbollah which is responsible for numerous attacks against US (and other Western) personnel. The Houthis are squarely to blame for the disruption of Red Sea shipping; Israel's military operation in a different country isn't a legitimate reason to attack (almost) random…

I think you’re missing the point here. The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel. The only reason Hezbollah exists is because of Israel. The reason the Houthis are attacking shipping is because the U.S. supports Israel. Being an ally to Israel has imposed huge costs on the U.S. and virtually no benefits. Many in the U.S. feel that protecting Israel is a moral cause, but it is undeni…

> The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel. The only reason Hezbollah exists is because of Israel

You can't know that. The Iranian Islamic revolution happened not because of Israel. Iran would have probably tried to gain influence through proxies and destabilize the Middle East regardless of Israel. It would have joined forces with Russia and China. It would have probably tried acquiring nuclear weapons and it would have hated the U.S (which it calls Big Satan to this day). In short Iran would have been a huge headache and security risk for the U.S and the West even if Israel didn't exist imo. The U.S is definitely strong enough to deal with Iran without Israel, but its helpful to have allies in a very very unstable neighborhood.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by weatherlite »

okokhacker wrote: post #85

HN posts about this used to be 99% Pro-Zionist. There’s been a marked shift in opinion (or less bots) and I’m very, very glad that people are recognising the extent of war crimes being committed by Israel.

99% pro Zionist ...can you show me even one example of such a post? I don't think you can.
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