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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by dragonwriter »

tstrimple wrote: post #10
vaidhy wrote: post #3

What are the repercussions? If there is no reaction from the international community, did this action really happen?

Every reaction from the international community is vetoed by the United States of America. A veto power it has used on behalf of Israel to protect it from international scrutiny more than it has for literally any other country on earth. Over half of all US vetoes in the Security Council have been on behalf of Israel. https://globalaffairs.org/bluemarble/how-us-has-used-its-pow... > The U.S. has vetoed resolutions cri…

There's a mechanism for bypassing the Security Council by the GA during deadlocks caused by vetoes (Emergency Special Sessions convened under Uniting for Peace—5 of the 11 convened so far have concerned the Arab/Israeli conflict, including one of the two that is currently open, which is now on its 27th year), but no combination of countries otherwise willing to act to constrain the conflict has the capacity to effectively act against both Iran and its proxies and the Israel (directly) backed by the US.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by sterlind »

Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

Unifil has been there since the '70s, apparently. Their role was to monitor Israel's withdrawal and to assist the Lebanese government, to patrol the Blue Line and various humanitarian tasks. They're not a counterinsurgency force or an occupying army - as I understand it, they're a tripwire for treaty enforcement.

Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. It's still immoral to kill noncombatants, just as it's immoral to hide behind noncombatants. You don't gain moral high ground, you're just sinking to the level of the enemy.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by libertine »

Qem wrote: post #7

At this point the country should be suspended from UN, like Apartheid SA was before, in 1974. See https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/13/archives/south-africa-is-...

The UN is in need of serious reform.

For example, it's hard to comprehend how a country like Russia is not suspended?

A country which signed the Charter, and is member of the security council, is trying to annex a country of 40 million people, claiming they and their culture don't exist.

They don't even hide the genocide intent, and yet Guterres is visiting the BRICS conference in Russia legitimizing the regime. Despicable.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by mlazos »

pimpampum wrote: post #8
Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

I love how their rationale for blowing up a hospital is that there were tunnels underneath it. As if that’s justification for blowing up a hospital.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by NomDePlum »

Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

There's absolutely no evidence of UN forces being used as human shields. There's clear evidence, including that cited in the article, of the situation being very different from the claims/report of the IDF.

The most credible reason for Israel wanting Unfil to vacate is less impartial observers.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by dragonwriter »

NomDePlum wrote: post #15
Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

There's absolutely no evidence of UN forces being used as human shields. There's clear evidence, including that cited in the article, of the situation being very different from the claims/report of the IDF. The most credible reason for Israel wanting Unfil to vacate is less impartial observers.

The most credible reason for Israel to want UNIFIL to vacate is that UNIFIL’s mission is to help keep unauthorized military forces out of South Lebanon, and Israel’s invasion force is decidedly unauthorized.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by NomDePlum »

vaidhy wrote: post #3

What are the repercussions? If there is no reaction from the international community, did this action really happen?

Did what action actually happen? Those reported in the article? If so, clearly yes. They've been widely reported and confirmed repeatedly. The initial international outrage appears to have subsided. I'd guess partly mainly due to the obvious support of the US, who gave up on being outraged when it became obvious there was no one listening on the Israeli side.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Qem »

dragonwriter wrote: post #16
NomDePlum wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's absolutely no evidence of UN forces being used as human shields. There's clear evidence, including that cited in the article, of the situation being very different from the claims/report of the IDF. The most credible reason for Israel wanting Unfil to vacate is less impartial observers.

The most credible reason for Israel to want UNIFIL to vacate is that UNIFIL’s mission is to help keep unauthorized military forces out of South Lebanon, and Israel’s invasion force is decidedly unauthorized.

Given they targeted observation posts and monitoring cameras first, I suspect they don't want witnesses observing war crimes. Local witnesses are outright killed or smeared with accusations of belonging to militant groups, as it's being done to journalists in Gaza. They just put targets on the backs of the few surviving journalists that are still documenting the siege of northern Gaza. See: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2024/10/24/wh...

That trick is harder to pull when the witnesses are external UN observers.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by [deleted] »

pimpampum wrote: post #8
Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by leoh »

Part of the story here, really, is that the UN has been co-opted by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Another part of the story is: where was the UN when Hezbollah launched rockets from Lebanon this week?

Unless the UN starts doing serious counter-terrorism, Israel is not going to particularly care about their presence in Lebanon.

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