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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by EasyMark »

Sam713 wrote: post #21
pimpampum wrote: post #8

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Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

Not disputing general truthfulness of Israeli government, but specifically as to the latter two examples you listed: A) There is no direct evidence that Israeli government publicly stated that babies were beheaded. That claim came from a single journalist, spread like wildfire on social media (as did tons of videos and footage of the attacks), and was exacerbated by a statement Biden made. B) there is very credible e…

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by sangnoir »

rendall wrote: post #90
sangnoir wrote: post #71

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> UNIFIL has not done this. ...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed?

>> UNIFIL has not done this. >...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed? You quoted the wrong part. Here, let me fix that for you. >> If true, this is not only a clear, systemic failure of their mission, but such an egregious failure that their presence is actually dangerous to civilians. >...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed? There. That's better. Now I can properly answe…

> However, in light of their failure to accomplish their mission, and actually hindering peace, Israel asked them to leave.

Asked them to leave a whole other country, that is not Israel or Israeli territory. Would this be reasonable to you if it were Ethiopia asking UN troops to leave Eritrean territory for failure to keep the peace, while there are active skirmishes between the 2 countries? This is an astounding ask for any country, and an affront to any semblence of a "rules-based order"

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by shsisjdhdh »

flappyeagle wrote: post #87
ycomb-acct wrote: post #48

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There are no Israelis in the cabinet as far as I know. Are you saying that Jewish Americans are secretly agents for Israel?

There’s plenty of non Jewish Zionists in the US as well. And I don’t think anyone is really being secretive here. The US is taking actions that benefit Israel to the detriment of America.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by leoh »

cutler wrote: post #107
okokhacker wrote: post #85

HN posts about this used to be 99% Pro-Zionist. There’s been a marked shift in opinion (or less bots) and I’m very, very glad that people are recognising the extent of war crimes being committed by Israel.

Maybe it's because social media has relayed the truth and Israel can no longer use its grip on western media to conceal its atrocities.

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by dlubarov »

throwaway9917 wrote: post #102
nimbius wrote: post #40

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In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. You'd have a better shot at dissolving the UN entirely than suspending Israel. What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel…

The thing is, Israel doesn’t protect U.S. interests in the middle east. All the U.S. has really ever wanted there is oil, and because of U.S. support for Israel, we’ve been the subject of two oil embargoes. Israel provides us zero military bases, even when Arab countries provide us dozens. Despite all of the support we give them and have given them, they have repeatedly escalated conflicts when the U.S. asked them to…

Has the US asked for a base? They do have Site 512, not a typical base but still a base.

In many ways Israel does the US' dirty work, like crippling Hezbollah which is responsible for numerous attacks against US (and other Western) personnel.

The Houthis are squarely to blame for the disruption of Red Sea shipping; Israel's military operation in a different country isn't a legitimate reason to attack (almost) random ships.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by rendall »

sangnoir wrote: post #112
rendall wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> UNIFIL has not done this. >...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed? You quoted the wrong part. Here, let me fix that for you. >> If true, this is not only a clear, systemic failure of their mission, but such an egregious failure that their presence is actually dangerous to civilians. >...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed? There. That's better. Now I can properly answe…

> However, in light of their failure to accomplish their mission, and actually hindering peace, Israel asked them to leave. Asked them to leave a whole other country, that is not Israel or Israeli territory. Would this be reasonable to you if it were Ethiopia asking UN troops to leave Eritrean territory for failure to keep the peace, while there are active skirmishes between the 2 countries? This is an astounding ask…

You're not addressing the most difficult point. The UN has failed spectacularly in their one single mission while giving cover to terrorists. You might disagree with Israel's response, but the scandal is with the UN. How is it possible that Hezbollah operated unimpeded for decades (e.g that Hezbollah dug a bunker tunnel mere 100 meters from a UN observation post)?

Frankly, I think Israel's reaction is way overdue. 40 years of Hezbollah firing rockets while the "peace keepers" sit on their thumbs. Facilitate terrorism, get the stick.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

EasyMark wrote: post #109
Qem wrote: post #7

At this point the country should be suspended from UN, like Apartheid SA was before, in 1974. See https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/13/archives/south-africa-is-...

I’m fine with that as long as numerous other countries get kicked for similar acts, it has to be a package deal tho

As I see it, UN at least is documenting everything as it happens to its members. Hopefully it can be kept unbiased for a long time. If you start kicking left and right, there will be no UN to overlook events.

Maybe without a UN, we would already be having a WWIII. It is impossible to weight its influence, but I very much doubt it is having any nefarious effect.

No need to sledgehammer the world until it gets better

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by throwaway9917 »

dlubarov wrote: post #116
throwaway9917 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, Israel doesn’t protect U.S. interests in the middle east. All the U.S. has really ever wanted there is oil, and because of U.S. support for Israel, we’ve been the subject of two oil embargoes. Israel provides us zero military bases, even when Arab countries provide us dozens. Despite all of the support we give them and have given them, they have repeatedly escalated conflicts when the U.S. asked them to…

Has the US asked for a base? They do have Site 512, not a typical base but still a base. In many ways Israel does the US' dirty work, like crippling Hezbollah which is responsible for numerous attacks against US (and other Western) personnel. The Houthis are squarely to blame for the disruption of Red Sea shipping; Israel's military operation in a different country isn't a legitimate reason to attack (almost) random…

I think you’re missing the point here. The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel. The only reason Hezbollah exists is because of Israel. The reason the Houthis are attacking shipping is because the U.S. supports Israel. Being an ally to Israel has imposed huge costs on the U.S. and virtually no benefits.

Many in the U.S. feel that protecting Israel is a moral cause, but it is undeniably a strategic albatross for us.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by dragonwriter »

throwaway9917 wrote: post #119
dlubarov wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the US asked for a base? They do have Site 512, not a typical base but still a base. In many ways Israel does the US' dirty work, like crippling Hezbollah which is responsible for numerous attacks against US (and other Western) personnel. The Houthis are squarely to blame for the disruption of Red Sea shipping; Israel's military operation in a different country isn't a legitimate reason to attack (almost) random…

I think you’re missing the point here. The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel. The only reason Hezbollah exists is because of Israel. The reason the Houthis are attacking shipping is because the U.S. supports Israel. Being an ally to Israel has imposed huge costs on the U.S. and virtually no benefits. Many in the U.S. feel that protecting Israel is a moral cause, but it is undeni…

> The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel.

No, another is that they are proxies of Iran, which the US has problems with that go beyond attacking Israel.

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