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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by tdeck »

mlazos wrote: post #14
pimpampum wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

I love how their rationale for blowing up a hospital is that there were tunnels underneath it. As if that’s justification for blowing up a hospital.

Then thre's the time a former Israeli PM admitted they build the "bunker" under Al Shifa. Whoops. If anyone had been paying attention or properly reporting on that, it might have looked bad.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-built-bunker-shifa-hospital-...

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Cyph0n »

Sam713 wrote: post #21
pimpampum wrote: post #8

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Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

Not disputing general truthfulness of Israeli government, but specifically as to the latter two examples you listed: A) There is no direct evidence that Israeli government publicly stated that babies were beheaded. That claim came from a single journalist, spread like wildfire on social media (as did tons of videos and footage of the attacks), and was exacerbated by a statement Biden made. B) there is very credible e…

The bigger problem is that these lies spread “like wildfire” via Western media outlets - with zero fact checking or confirmation. These images were then used to justify the rampage in Gaza.

As far as I am aware, not a single Western media rag has issued an apology for this. In many of our eyes, never again will they be able to claim credibility or professionalism in their reporting.

In addition, Western rags took Israeli statements as gospel, platformed way more guests from the Israeli side, and intensively questioned all pro-Palestine guests on their position on Oct 7 (while treating Israeli guests with more respect than necessary for a media interview).

It’s better now - but that’s easy to do after a year of atrocities and 100k+ deaths. In the US at least, there still is a clear bias against inviting Palestinians on primetime slots, or allowing Palestinians to operate freely within news organizations.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by g-b-r »

tyleo wrote: post #29
sterlind wrote: post #12

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Unifil has been there since the '70s, apparently. Their role was to monitor Israel's withdrawal and to assist the Lebanese government, to patrol the Blue Line and various humanitarian tasks. They're not a counterinsurgency force or an occupying army - as I understand it, they're a tripwire for treaty enforcement. Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. It's still immoral to kill noncombatants, just as it'…

“You don’t get to shoot through human shields.” I don’t have a POV w.r.t. this conflict, but I’d like to understand what you mean by this statement generally. In the extreme it seems to imply, “if you have a human shield you are invincible.” It’s a messed-up calculus to have to make but I feel like there must be some middle ground.

In extreme situations it might be acceptable to involve innocents, but that's a very far cry from what has been happening

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by g-b-r »

NomDePlum wrote: post #17
vaidhy wrote: post #3

What are the repercussions? If there is no reaction from the international community, did this action really happen?

Did what action actually happen? Those reported in the article? If so, clearly yes. They've been widely reported and confirmed repeatedly. The initial international outrage appears to have subsided. I'd guess partly mainly due to the obvious support of the US, who gave up on being outraged when it became obvious there was no one listening on the Israeli side.

Well, they might have listened if the weapon sales stopped

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Sabinus »

g-b-r wrote: post #34
tyleo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“You don’t get to shoot through human shields.” I don’t have a POV w.r.t. this conflict, but I’d like to understand what you mean by this statement generally. In the extreme it seems to imply, “if you have a human shield you are invincible.” It’s a messed-up calculus to have to make but I feel like there must be some middle ground.

In extreme situations it might be acceptable to involve innocents, but that's a very far cry from what has been happening

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by tdeck »

Sabinus wrote: post #36
g-b-r wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In extreme situations it might be acceptable to involve innocents, but that's a very far cry from what has been happening

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Wait till you find out where the mossad HQ is located!

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by lowkey_ »

tdeck wrote: post #37
Sabinus wrote: post #36

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Wait till you find out where the mossad HQ is located!

It's a fair target to hit then — on both sides, military operations are fair to hit. It just hasn't happened to the Mossad HQ, despite attempts.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by sterlind »

tyleo wrote: post #29
sterlind wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unifil has been there since the '70s, apparently. Their role was to monitor Israel's withdrawal and to assist the Lebanese government, to patrol the Blue Line and various humanitarian tasks. They're not a counterinsurgency force or an occupying army - as I understand it, they're a tripwire for treaty enforcement. Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. It's still immoral to kill noncombatants, just as it'…

“You don’t get to shoot through human shields.” I don’t have a POV w.r.t. this conflict, but I’d like to understand what you mean by this statement generally. In the extreme it seems to imply, “if you have a human shield you are invincible.” It’s a messed-up calculus to have to make but I feel like there must be some middle ground.

My view is the ethnicity of the human shields in question shouldn't factor into your decision making. You shouldn't shoot through an Egyptian aid worker or Lebanese child if you wouldn't have shot through an Israeli hostage in their place.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by nimbius »

Qem wrote: post #7

At this point the country should be suspended from UN, like Apartheid SA was before, in 1974. See https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/13/archives/south-africa-is-...

In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.”

Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. You'd have a better shot at dissolving the UN entirely than suspending Israel.

What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel on the security council, considering it is a nuclear armed state.

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