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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Feel free to share your objections to what I wrote. Unfortunately, it is hard to discern legitimate interest vs. someone wanting to engage in a debate for the sake of it. And I am not interested in wasting my time figuring out which is the case.

I did not say or imply that I have objections to what you wrote. Your comment strongly implied that you think that Israel overreacted to Oct 7. So I am curious what you think their response should have been. > Unfortunately, it is hard to discern legitimate interest vs. someone wanting to engage in a debate for the sake of it. And I am not interested in wasting my time figuring out which is the case. Is curiosity "le…

I would expect any response to (among other things):

a) adhere to international law (which we now know is a complete farce thanks UNSC veto)

b) not involve ethnic cleansing/forced displacement of Palestinians for a 3rd time in the last 75 years - the only reason it didn’t work this time is because the Egyptians strongly pushed back

c) not involve the deliberate targeting of civilians, the mass punishment of a civilian population, and the denial of access to aid to a civilian population (under occupation no less)

d) not result in the highest proportion of children fatalities and injuries of any modern war - and not involve redefining or rewriting the meaning of the word “child” to give themselves some wiggle room

e) not involve the deliberate targeting of journalists, academics, aid workers, and hospital staff - even if the Israelis claim to have “proof” of them being Hamas members (imagine immediately defunding a UN organization because the Israelis claim a few dozen employees were Hamas members)

f) adhere to Israel’s responsibilities under IHL as an occupying force

Fighting a war against guerillas in an urban context is challenging. Mass & targeted bombing of a densely populated occupied territory containing an enemy with no air force and no air defenses is not only genocidal, but also outright cowardly behavior.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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My view is the ethnicity of the human shields in question shouldn't factor into your decision making. You shouldn't shoot through an Egyptian aid worker or Lebanese child if you wouldn't have shot through an Israeli hostage in their place.

I suppose you're suggesting that one shouldn't value "us" over "them". Is a logical extension of this that you shouldn't shoot someone else if you wouldn't shoot yourself?

I'm suggesting we should value civilian casualties equally. You're free to shoot at soldiers.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. You'd have a better shot at dissolving the UN entirely than suspending Israel. What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel…

Israel has far more influence in the US than the US does in Israel. It is very clear that the current administration is backed into a corner and trying to make the best of the situation. FWIW: This is not a knock against the current administration.

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. You'd have a better shot at dissolving the UN entirely than suspending Israel. What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel…

Israel has far more influence in the US than the US does in Israel. It is very clear that the current administration is backed into a corner and trying to make the best of the situation. FWIW: This is not a knock against the current administration.

> It is very clear that the current administration is backed into a corner and trying to make the best of the situation.

This does not seem clear at all. What has led you to think so?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Although you rightly condemn the IDF's terrorist origins, you fall into the trap of labelling genuine resistance movements as terrorist. Was the French Resistance a terrorist organisation? Or the Polish Resistance? Given the brutal occupation executed by Israel in Palestine why is armed resistance, in your eyes, taboo? This is not a football match between two equal sides. This is, and always has been, asymetric warfare where one side is armed to the teeth by the west. Where is Hezbollah's air force? Or its tanks?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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There are no Israelis in the cabinet as far as I know. Are you saying that Jewish Americans are secretly agents for Israel?

Blinken’s gf was an early supporter of Israel: https://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/15/obituaries/maurice-blinke....

Biden’s current “envoy” to Lebanon and Israel, Amos Hochstein, is a former IDF soldier born and raised in Jerusalem.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

> Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace?

They’re outnumbered by 10:1.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. You'd have a better shot at dissolving the UN entirely than suspending Israel. What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel…

Excellent point. But assuming you're not being facetious, the Security Council is largely a historical artifact: all five permanent members were the victors of WWII. (Why occupied France was included is something I never understood.)

Council came first for some, but they were also the first 5 nuclear powers.

In one case, Mainland China got the bomb in '64 and replaced Taiwan on the security council within a decade.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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> UNIFIL has not done this. ...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed?

>> UNIFIL has not done this. >...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed? You quoted the wrong part. Here, let me fix that for you. >> If true, this is not only a clear, systemic failure of their mission, but such an egregious failure that their presence is actually dangerous to civilians. >...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed? There. That's better. Now I can properly answe…

I suppose, by the same measure, that you approve of Israel's recent directive to the residents of northern Gaza to leave, for the nth time, or be considered a target?
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