In extreme situations it might be acceptable to involve innocents, but that's a very far cry from what has been happening
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The straightforward thing with UNFIL would be to negotiate change at the UN
It's unlikely that Israel decided just now to go attack Hezbollah, and even if they did, it's not like there's been any big status quo change, so they could go to the UN first, if they think the UN is in the way
Part of the story here, really, is that the UN has been co-opted by Hezbollah in Lebanon. Another part of the story is: where was the UN when Hezbollah launched rockets from Lebanon this week? Unless the UN starts doing serious counter-terrorism, Israel is not going to particularly care about their presence in Lebanon.
Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7 last year. While under the watch of the UN. But apparently Israel is supposed to just do nothing about it and accept it going on for as long as Hezbollah likes. Absolutely no other country on this planet would. So many people seem to have a special set of double standards they apply to Israel for some reason.
Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more. Hezbollah and Israel need to calm the fuck down.
And one more thing. I get to criticize the living fuck out of Israel because as an American I am paying for most of it's weapons.
The bigger problem is that these lies spread “like wildfire” via Western media outlets - with zero fact checking or confirmation. These images were then used to justify the rampage in Gaza. As far as I am aware, not a single Western media rag has issued an apology for this. In many of our eyes, never again will they be able to claim credibility or professionalism in their reporting. In addition, Western rags took Isr…
What do you think the Israeli response to Oct 7 should have been?
Feel free to share your objections to what I wrote.
Unfortunately, it is hard to discern legitimate interest vs. someone wanting to engage in a debate for the sake of it. And I am not interested in wasting my time figuring out which is the case.
Part of the story here, really, is that the UN has been co-opted by Hezbollah in Lebanon. Another part of the story is: where was the UN when Hezbollah launched rockets from Lebanon this week? Unless the UN starts doing serious counter-terrorism, Israel is not going to particularly care about their presence in Lebanon.
Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7 last year. While under the watch of the UN. But apparently Israel is supposed to just do nothing about it and accept it going on for as long as Hezbollah likes. Absolutely no other country on this planet would. So many people seem to have a special set of double standards they apply to Israel for some reason.
"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…
Unifil has been there since the '70s, apparently. Their role was to monitor Israel's withdrawal and to assist the Lebanese government, to patrol the Blue Line and various humanitarian tasks. They're not a counterinsurgency force or an occupying army - as I understand it, they're a tripwire for treaty enforcement. Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. It's still immoral to kill noncombatants, just as it'…
In 1986, then-U.S. Sen. Joe Biden said, “Supporting Israel is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. You'd have a better shot at dissolving the UN entirely than suspending Israel. What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel…
> Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. The US is more reflexively pro-Israel than Israel is pro-US in international policy, the opposite of what you’d expect if Israel was a US vassal. > What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel on the security council There are lots of reasons, but one that renders all the others secondary is that the US can’t add permanent Security Council members .…
Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council.
The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.
But beheaded babies and babies in ovens portrays a different level of atrocities being committed. This kind of fictional atrocity dissemination is very similar to the approach used during the Gulf War[1]. More importantly, the point is that Western media outlets - who have always proclaimed to be arbiters of truth, objectivity & journalistic integrity - neither did the absolute basic fact checking required before pub…
I'm not going to disagree with you about the media sucking, but for what it's worth, I think every side thinks that. I am pro-Israel and have the same feelings about other stories that were rushed, not vetted, wrong, and never apologized for.
"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…
> What is the point of the troops being there?
Let's assume they are completely useless at peacekeeping - does this justify them being attacked?
"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…
> Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? They're basically observers when there are any other armed troops present. They have small arms, everybody else has rockets, missiles, or tanks.
UN peacekeeper should be treated as civilians - even when armed.