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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by sfn42 » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:36 PM UTC

Nullabillity wrote: post #50

sofixa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay And who more often than not get their software imposed on by the orgs they work in, so it's doubly complicated - the developers have to be convinced themselves enough to be willing to convince their IT department/fellow developers to pay for.

This seems to be what JetBrains has been betting on for a long time. Don't need to build a competent text editor if you can give management the right buzzwords.

Are you implying that JetBrains ides are not competent?

Compared to their alternatives like Eclipse, Visual Studio etc I think they're a huge step up. If you're a fan of simpler tools like vim, emacs or vscode etc I can see that they may not be to your taste, but I think their products are great. They're easy to get started with, powerful when you learn to use them, relatively bug free and I'd say they significantly boost my productivity.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by homebrewer » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:37 PM UTC

nurettin wrote: post #28

Sounds like they got a big present from Microsoft.

No, they're feeling pressure from VSCode (which is primitive in comparison, but good enough for most people). Thus the new theme (which none of the old users asked for) — total clone of VSCode UI, and this announcement. It's the opposite of what you're thinking.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by billyhoffman » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:38 PM UTC

mananaysiempre wrote: post #47

terminalbraid wrote: post #3

This is pretty huge all around, especially with Microsoft discontinuing Visual Studio for Mac. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/releases/2022... I'd also like to note the great integration Rider has with Godot and Unity for game development.

Wasn’t VS for Mac a MonoDevelop build with amputated Linux support rather than a version of Visual Studio proper? Or am I out of date on this?

It started that way but wasn’t been for a while. In fact the last version was a rewrite using native macOS controls and optimized for Apple Silicon. Sad to see it go but heard great things about Rider for c# development.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by Latty » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:39 PM UTC

rahkiin wrote: post #40

Latty wrote: post #19

I'd been subscribed for the best part of a decade to their all products pack, liked the products, but they kept doing stuff that really rubbed me the wrong way in a paid product, e.g: shoving the AI offering down my throat and initially having no way to remove it, and then when I paid most recently, they sent me some spammy marketing for some third party product as a "thank you", and I cancelled my subscription there…

What is the problem you have with the AI? You can disable it, and otherwise it is run locally only. It does nice line-completion

At launch it'd pop open the UI every time you opened any of the tools, and you couldn't uninstall the plugin. I understand you can now disable it, but it was annoying at the time, and demonstrated the issue I had with feeling like I was being advertised to in invasive ways despite being a paying customer.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by piskov » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:39 PM UTC

TiredOfLife wrote: post #20

alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

Now they are european. They started as fully Russian company. But they are a truly rare example of a company that actually left russian market. Unlike Apple or LG.

Kudos to Jebrains basically gifting Rider to Russians making it free of mandatory license and possibly malicious cracks

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by BadHumans » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:39 PM UTC

jchw wrote: post #48

peutetre wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). All of whom, strangely, expect to be paid for their work.

I dislike this implication that developers are greedy when the real tension is commercial interests vs mutually beneficial communal interests. Of course everyone expects to get paid, but developers love community projects and protect them fiercely because there's no natural force that can. It's all up to the people themselves. Sure, some minority of people are just greedy and rude. I think most people aren't. As far…

> Sure, some minority of people are just greedy and rude.

You're conflating 2 different things together. I don't think most people are rude. I think most people are greedy.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by chupasaurus » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:39 PM UTC

kernal wrote: post #58

Is Rider nerfed as much as the free version of IDEA is? And if not, then why isn't there a free noncommercial version of IDEA? This seems like a smack to the face for Java developers that want to use the full version of IDEA for noncommercial purposes.

Full version of IDEA is "make your own IDE" since you can add almost everything from their other IDEs.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by lolinder » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:39 PM UTC

mirekrusin wrote: post #59

alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

Sadly developers don't have buying power. Microsoft is good example of company which understands it and lobbies its presence through channels that do make those cross company decisions.

I just pay for a license myself for both work and personal use [0].

I personally have enough buying power to afford it, and it's more than paid for itself over the years by giving me a leg up over coworkers who try to make do with free tools. People I work with think I have some superhuman ability to navigate, understand, and modify huge codebases and don't believe me when I tell them that it's just because I learned how to use JetBrains IDEs fluently.

[0] This is explicitly allowed: https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240855-Can-...

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by sangnoir » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:40 PM UTC

desiderantes wrote: post #39

ozim wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given amount of open source available for free I can easily say your statement is totally wrong.

Doing charity work does not mean you don't expect to be paid for your regular work. Also, a lot of companies do pay devs to work on open source projects.

Open source isn't charity - just like playing non-professional sports isn't charity: the vast majority of participants see it as a hobby or social activity. A minority get paid, and a minority of the minority "break even", but vast majority are playing in self-organized leagues and pick up games, which are in no shape or form charities (even if the public can watch for free as a side-effect).

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by Latty » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 3:41 PM UTC

Habgdnv wrote: post #35

Latty wrote: post #19

I'd been subscribed for the best part of a decade to their all products pack, liked the products, but they kept doing stuff that really rubbed me the wrong way in a paid product, e.g: shoving the AI offering down my throat and initially having no way to remove it, and then when I paid most recently, they sent me some spammy marketing for some third party product as a "thank you", and I cancelled my subscription there…

I was a paying customer for a long time, and their spam campaigns were the reason for my cancellation last year. Now I am a happy Microsoft Visual Studio Pro subscriber again. (happy in quotes btw)

It's a shame, I like the tools generally, but so much stuff is just about bombarding you with ads now, paying for a good tool is, to me, meant to be the way to avoid that, that really soured me on it all.