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Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by [deleted] »

qsort wrote: post #17
alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

> who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay Citation very much needed? Unless you're talking about enterprise software specifically, developers are probably among the most willing to shell out cash for software, it's the general public who seems to be fine with ad-ridden spyware freemium nonsense as long as it's free.

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by javajosh »

ozim wrote: post #16
peutetre wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). All of whom, strangely, expect to be paid for their work.

Given amount of open source available for free I can easily say your statement is totally wrong.

We expect to get paid for satisfying someone else's requirements. We do not expect to get paid to scratch our own itches.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by dewey »

qsort wrote: post #17
alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

> who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay Citation very much needed? Unless you're talking about enterprise software specifically, developers are probably among the most willing to shell out cash for software, it's the general public who seems to be fine with ad-ridden spyware freemium nonsense as long as it's free.

Developers regularly underestimate the work required to build something and will spend a lot of time building something themselves vs buying someone else's tool for $5 / month.

Source: Myself

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by pjmlp »

ozim wrote: post #16
peutetre wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). All of whom, strangely, expect to be paid for their work.

Given amount of open source available for free I can easily say your statement is totally wrong.

That is exactly the point, those using the free tools expect to be paid, while feeling entitled about those free tools capabilities and zero monetary contributions.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

#35

Post by Habgdnv »

Latty wrote: post #19

I'd been subscribed for the best part of a decade to their all products pack, liked the products, but they kept doing stuff that really rubbed me the wrong way in a paid product, e.g: shoving the AI offering down my throat and initially having no way to remove it, and then when I paid most recently, they sent me some spammy marketing for some third party product as a "thank you", and I cancelled my subscription there…

I was a paying customer for a long time, and their spam campaigns were the reason for my cancellation last year. Now I am a happy Microsoft Visual Studio Pro subscriber again. (happy in quotes btw)

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by einpoklum »

Many developers have gratis JetBrains license on account of being involved in FOSS. I'm in that category - have to apply each year for a license by referring to (one of) my FOSS library(ies).

It's just too bad that their UI is going in the direction of VSCode and others, become more... I guess I could say smartphone-like.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by pjmlp »

qsort wrote: post #17
alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

> who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay Citation very much needed? Unless you're talking about enterprise software specifically, developers are probably among the most willing to shell out cash for software, it's the general public who seems to be fine with ad-ridden spyware freemium nonsense as long as it's free.

Every single time someone posts about some commercial tool, in a website dedicated initially to startups, there is always a set of replies with half-baked open source alternatives to use instead.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

#38

Post by izacus »

ozim wrote: post #16
peutetre wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). All of whom, strangely, expect to be paid for their work.

Given amount of open source available for free I can easily say your statement is totally wrong.

Huge majority of OSS developers (especially for big projects) are paid for their opensource work too.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by desiderantes »

ozim wrote: post #16
peutetre wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). All of whom, strangely, expect to be paid for their work.

Given amount of open source available for free I can easily say your statement is totally wrong.

Doing charity work does not mean you don't expect to be paid for your regular work. Also, a lot of companies do pay devs to work on open source projects.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by rahkiin »

Latty wrote: post #19

I'd been subscribed for the best part of a decade to their all products pack, liked the products, but they kept doing stuff that really rubbed me the wrong way in a paid product, e.g: shoving the AI offering down my throat and initially having no way to remove it, and then when I paid most recently, they sent me some spammy marketing for some third party product as a "thank you", and I cancelled my subscription there…

What is the problem you have with the AI? You can disable it, and otherwise it is run locally only. It does nice line-completion
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