Related (possibly): OpenAI to remove non-profit control and give Sam Altman equity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548
That post seems to be in free-fall for some reason
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Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.
Because if you are a high level executive and you are transparent on those things, and if it backfires, it will backfire hard for your future opportunities, since all the companies will view you as a potential liability. So it is always safer and wiser option to not say anything in case of any risk of it backfiring. So you do the polite PR messaging every single time. There's nothing to be gained on the individual le…
I doubt someone with Mira or Ilya’s calibre have to worry about future opportunities. They can very well craft their own opportunities.
Saying I was wrong should not be this complicated, or saying we failed.
I do however agree that there is nothing to be gained and everything to be risked. So why do it.
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Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.
> the company is still shipping, like no other Meta, Anthropic, Google, and others all are shipping state of the art models. I'm not trying to be dismissive of OpenAI's work, but they are absolutely not the only company shipping very large foundation models.
Perhaps you havent tried o1-preview or advanced voice if you call all the rest SOTA.
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> Generative video models like OpenAI's Sora clearly have a world model as they are able to simulate gravity, collisions between objects, and other concepts necessary to render a coherent scene. I won't expand on the rest, but this is simply nonsensical. The fact that Sora generates output that matches its training data doesn't show that it has a concept of gravity, collision between object, or anything else. It has…
My suspicion is that you're leaving some important parts in your logic unstated. Such as belief in a magical property within humans of "understanding", which you don't define. The ability of video models to generate novel video consistent with physical reality shows that they have extracted important invariants - physical law - out of the data. It's probably better not to muddle the discussion with ill defined terms…
It feels like if these image and video generation models were really resolving some fundamental laws from the training data they should at least be able to re-create an image at a different angle.
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#287It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.
Her rise didn't make sense to me. Product manager at tesla to CTO at openAI with no technical background and a deleted profile ? This is a very strange company to say the least.
You have to remember that OpenAI's mission was considered absolute batshit insane back then.
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#288I am glad most people do not talk in real life using the same style this message was written in.
To me, this looks like something chatgpt would write.
I am surprised I had to scroll down this far to find someone making this point. In addition to being the obvious joke in this situation, the message was so dull, generic, and “this incredible journey” that I instinctively began to read diagonally before finishing the second paragraph.
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#289I will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no e…
It was probably crafted with ChatGPT?
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Interesting that gwern predicted this as well yesterday > Translation for the rest of us: "we need to fully privatize the OA subsidiary and turn it into a B-corp which can raise a lot more capital over the next decade, in order to achieve the goals of the nonprofit, because the chief threat is not anything like existential risk from autonomous agents in the next few years or arms races, but inadequate commercializati…
With multiple correct predictions, do you think the rest of HN will start to listen to Gwern’s beliefs about OpenAI / AGI problems? Probably not.
I’m not aware of those beliefs. Could you provide a link to an article/ comment?