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I'm guessing so they can keep data of EU customers stored within the EU.
You can do that with AWS regions though.
Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#202I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete
The European market has always seemed like a tertiary market compared to the US and Asia. I think that's because, despite having some raw number of euros to spend on a product, the European economy has struggled since 2008 compared to the US and Asia, and huge corps which are obsessed with growth don't see an accelerating future for Europe as a customer base.
Well, this isn't even remotely accurate on the numbers. For virtually every big tech company the US is about half of the market, Europe about 30%, then ~15% Asian Pacific, and give or take a bit in the rest of the world.
Given that most large tech companies are locked out of China or quickly leaving the only large country with comparable purchasing power to Europe in Asia is Japan.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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While 'for free' is something we all want (who wants to spend their money right) it is not a sustainable business case. And with prices of it/server/hosting in the EU being a lot higher then in other parts of the world, what you want is not going to be easy to find.
it's cloying how people (individuals and SMEs) forget that in the present time in vast part of the world we have FTTH with enough bandwidth and low enough ping that's MUCH better than a cheap VPS or someone else server. The only needed thing is a fixed IP, witch is pretty available anyway. A homeserver is much cheaper, not less monitored, much powerful and much more flexible than living on someone else computer. Sinc…
And even if you can self-host, fighting against (D)DOS attacks is not something I have seen done at any consumer ISP.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#204Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#205I think their intention is to be an alternative to OEDIV [0] (Oetker* Daten- und Informationsverarbeitung KG), targeting European companies and governments. If you understand German and want to take a look at OEDIV's remarkable datacenter, der8auer posted a video [1] around two years ago giving a tour through their datacenter. Small but high-quality. This is what Schwarz Gruppe is after, though not as closed as OEDIV…
> der8auer posted a video Does anyone remember 'derBauer', the Flash god?
There are a few videos of their previous homepage designs available on YouTube, it's an amusing window into the past. Right below the first one was another video about 2Advanced, which I also hadn't heard of since 20? years.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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They produced a few fluffy documents in 2022 and then nothing happened. They repurposed the word milestone to mean agenda. It's just a list of events they're organizing. Because they have no actual milestones or goals.
It takes time to shape and convince people and form frameworks to move forward.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#207Lidl has their own IT company that is not mentioned in the article as far as I can see: https://it.schwarz/ (linked from the "Digits" page, though)
And their in-store discounts require you to have an Android or Apple device and install their proprietary app on it from Google Play or iTunes, and sign up for an account using your e-mail address and personal cellphone number (landlines and non-geographical numbers are disallowed). It also collects your data and sends it to Google and Facebook.
This is the worst IT of any store I've seen.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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DACH = Deutschland (D) - Austria (A) - Switzerland (CH) but DACH mentality? Perhaps hard-working like people in Germany, Austria and Switzerland? Or overengineering or being stubborn and old-fashioned?
The German social contract for a long time was that the working class gets low wages, which keeps German exports competitive and combined with the large internal market, prices low. In return for making the owning class wealthy, workers also get a relatively good social support system and job security. I'm not sure this model ever applied to A & CH, and might be starting to collapse in D as well.
For example even when a larger company gets acquired (or a merger happens) it could take a decade to consolidate overlapping services.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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and OTC (Open Telecom Cloud) But I wouldn't say it's a niche if you look at the size of the EU even if it "hasn't being doing that well" it's still a lot of purchasing power And especially in recent years there has been an increasing push away from US cloud providers and this somewhat evening out the playing field of "newcomers" compared to Amazone, MS, Google. Also because HN is quite US/SV focused and differences i…
The Open Telekom Cloud was at least in the beginning running on Huawei hardware and software. Here is a press release from 2020: https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich... Title: Open Telekom Cloud – die sichere Cloud made in Europe > Im Rahmen der Innovationspartnerschaft liefert Huawei mit dem Cloud-Betriebssystem Huawei OpenStack Distribution eine zentrale Softwarekomponente der Open Telekom C…
Software wise they where anyway OpenStack based, which is a trusteable open source project Huawei is a major contributor to but other major contributors include AT&T, Canonical, Hewlett-Packard Enterprise, Intel, Red Hat, IBM. This made moving away from Huawei quite viable.
Hardware wise they also moved away from Huawei, but I'm not sure if this apply to all data-centers of them. But AFIK at least some data centers are Huawei free.
Or at least that is what they told some of their business partners which wouldn't have used them if they still used Huawei hardware in the data center that specific bussiness partner uses AFIK.
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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Highly skilled engineers leave to places where they get their money's worth (i.e. not germany/eu).
Lots of people in this thread talking about low salaries in tech in the EU, but maybe it’s the case the US is the outlier? And not even the US as a whole, more like SV? Are there any other countries where tech engineers are among the best paid workers?