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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I didn't mean to be vague, I meant to be general. I don't know which other agencies have this kind of unchecked power.

Probably a few we've never heard of.

Some might even have a different number of letters in their acronyms, to fly below our radars. :-)

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Wow, 5 years later and what have they actually accomplished? Look at the milestones section: https://gaia-x.eu/what-is-gaia-x/about-gaia-x/

This is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism? An American company would run circles around this mess.

Deutsche Telekom hosted Microsoft Office 365 for some years in Germany as a German cloud offering.

I think this was the press release: https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail...

This was a Microsoft 365 cloud hosted and operated by Deutsche Telekom in Germany. It was more expensive than the global version and had less features. It often took some years till new features were introduced.

They stopped this offering some years ago, I think they did not get as many customers as they expected, most of the German customers used the global version.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Hetzner and OVH are top of mind, Gandi is nice too. Not Amazon-scale, by far, but European companies hosting in Europe with decent service.

OVH is a joke (their data center burned because they had wooden roofs), Gandi is no more, and Scaleway gave up. There is no French host anymore. Only Hetzner is left in this business.

OVH is still in business, even if they had a fire 3 years ago. Both AWS and Google have had rather large fires.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Low salaries to me indicates they believe it is a Germanic ideal to pay subpar wages for highly skilled engineers? I don't think it's a mentality thing, personally, I think it just speaks to the weakness of the European economy for the last 20ish years

Highly skilled engineers leave to places where they get their money's worth (i.e. not germany/eu).

Lots of people in this thread talking about low salaries in tech in the EU, but maybe it’s the case the US is the outlier? And not even the US as a whole, more like SV?

Are there any other countries where tech engineers are among the best paid workers?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

The European market has always seemed like a tertiary market compared to the US and Asia. I think that's because, despite having some raw number of euros to spend on a product, the European economy has struggled since 2008 compared to the US and Asia, and huge corps which are obsessed with growth don't see an accelerating future for Europe as a customer base.

Is “Asia” a well-defined market? Honestly curious.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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STACKIT is the Lidl cloud. Both companies are part of the Schwarz Gruppe. Their offering is here: https://www.stackit.de/en/ You have to be a company to make business with them. You can not just sign up, you have to contact them first. There was a discussion about STACKIT some years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30853778 I do not see anything about Gaia-X on their directly website, only when I search for…

Interesting fact, it seems that their price catalog is a PDF https://www.stackit.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/240814_STA... and not the usual price calculator other providers offer

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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And Scaleway (Online.net/Iliad). And Hetzner.

and OTC (Open Telecom Cloud) But I wouldn't say it's a niche if you look at the size of the EU even if it "hasn't being doing that well" it's still a lot of purchasing power And especially in recent years there has been an increasing push away from US cloud providers and this somewhat evening out the playing field of "newcomers" compared to Amazone, MS, Google. Also because HN is quite US/SV focused and differences i…

The Open Telekom Cloud was at least in the beginning running on Huawei hardware and software.

Here is a press release from 2020: https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich...

Title: Open Telekom Cloud – die sichere Cloud made in Europe

> Im Rahmen der Innovationspartnerschaft liefert Huawei mit dem Cloud-Betriebssystem Huawei OpenStack Distribution eine zentrale Softwarekomponente der Open Telekom Cloud.

English translation: Title: Open Telekom Cloud – the secure cloud made in Europe.

> As part of the innovation partnership, Huawei provides a central software component of the Open Telekom Cloud with its cloud operating system, Huawei OpenStack Distribution.

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