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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Unrelated except it's the same company, reminded me of the failed SAP migration, https://www.retaildetail.eu/news/food/lidls-failed-it-projec...

At least they had the balls to back out

Seriously, this is impressive for a company of their size. Almost anywhere else it would be pushed through to preserve the status of whichever leaders championed the whole thing, to hell with the long-term consequences.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If AWS gets a letter from an American 3-letter agency to plz turn over this and that data and don't tell anyone, they're going to comply, no matter what kind of paper "privacy shield" agreement the politicians negotiated this time around.

You can name the NSA, it’s not illegal to do it (not in Europe at least —- pun intended)

I didn't mean to be vague, I meant to be general. I don't know which other agencies have this kind of unchecked power.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Anyone with experience?

It looks like this isn't open to the public but is just for internal use by Schwartz Group.

Bayern Munich and SAP are not parts of Schwartz Group. For now it seems aimed at large European enterprise customers.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

Can be shown by how everyone who actually produces cloud services of value quit Gaia-X very quickly

Scaleway published an entire blog post on why they quit: https://www.scaleway.com/en/blog/full-steam-ahead-towards-a-...

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe

What do you mean by DACH mentality?

DACH = Deutschland (D) - Austria (A) - Switzerland (CH)

but DACH mentality? Perhaps hard-working like people in Germany, Austria and Switzerland? Or overengineering or being stubborn and old-fashioned?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Being a European, I’d love to try this. Many businesses operate completely local. I think there is a market for a Europe-only cloud provider. How do I try this? Do they have a free tier?

You can sign up on their website: https://www.stackit.de/en/

While there are no free credits the services are priced pay per use to the minute with a much simpler pricing model than the large hyperscalers like AWS. See prices for EC2 here: https://www.stackit.de/en/pricing/cloud-services/iaas/stacki...

You can find the docs here: https://docs.stackit.cloud/stackit/en/knowledge-base-8530170...

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

> It represents to me everything that is wrong with the EU today. A bureaucratic monster that can't decide how to talk about things or come to any form of alignment.

I think that the EU can very well find a consensus when it wants to, going so far to push for legislature that will be clearly thrown out by the ECJ or HUDOC (see Chat Control for great example).

It's just that we also have a lot of "token projects" which serve for virtual signaling for topics where there is a lack of domestic competence. Gaia-X is one of these things, the idea of a "european cloud" as laughable to begin with, due to dependence on foreign technologies to facilitate it.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.

Yes. And it works when implemented correctly. See China.

It’s more of a prisoners dilemma than “it works when implemented correctly.”

In general, all parties do better in freer markets and all parties do poorly in restricted markets. However, when one party in a trading system implements restrictions and the others don’t that party can gain outsized benefits versus others.

The world spent almost 50 years liberalizing trade systems, mostly with benefits at the national scale. It took 10-15 years for most of leaders to realize that China was successfully subverting the liberal system.

“it works when implemented correctly” is the wrong lessons and will lead us to widespread protectionism and make us all poorer.

The right lesson is that “bad actors need to be dealt with and excluded from the system.”

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe

What is Dach mentality? I've googled the definition but can't seem anything that fits in this context.
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