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Hetzner and OVH are top of mind, Gandi is nice too. Not Amazon-scale, by far, but European companies hosting in Europe with decent service.
OVH is a joke (their data center burned because they had wooden roofs), Gandi is no more, and Scaleway gave up. There is no French host anymore. Only Hetzner is left in this business.
Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
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#133Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe
> 50-60k/pa for engineers Is that, like, actual information, or just an educated guess based on some industry average.
at least for jobs which often are referred to as engineers (through legally speaking are not as enginer is a protected title having little to do with software development)
maybe for jobs of people which mainly idk. replace hardware in servers all day but don't really administrate the servers at all
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#134> This is something AWS is scrambling to address with its recent announcement of a €7.8 billion investment in an AWS European Sovereign Cloud, expected to launch its first region in Germany by the end of 2025. But will that be enough to regain the trust of European corporations Given the CLOUD Act and FISA, no it should not be enough to regain the trust of those European corporations that look for data sovereignty. A…
Microsoft tried the same (working with Deutsche Telekom) a few years ago. It offered only half the services (mainly "raw" compute, not the cloud services) and was about 30% more expensive and (by design) did not interact with the "regular" Azure. You can imagine how that went.
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#135I don't get what's new about this apart from the typical EU related buzzwords. France alone already has OVH and Scaleway, which are actual cloud providers in the "AWS" sense, not just hosting providers. Like I get that this is part of the platform's marketing but I don't see the sovereignty (which is a rather cringy term imo, as it implies that something as big as the EU isn't sovereign) angles to this.
China's tech is already self-contained, to a lesser extent so is Russia's, the US is investing a lot in semiconductors just in case something happens to Taiwan, and India has already banned pretty much every Chinese app. The EU, on the other hand, is completely reliant on the US for core tech infrastructure and trying to address that.
None of it makes sense economically, but essentially every superpower is doing something towards at least making it a possibility to "self-contain" their own tech sector. I don't even think this has anything to do with the current political climate (Russia-Ukraine war included), I think it's more in preparation for when climate change consequences start ramping up.
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Countries like the US and China are not afraid to subsidize strategically important industries in regions with proven capabilities. Meanwhile the EU likes to waste resources on failed hopeless regions. For example the new investments into making EU independent on chip manufacturing is going to the failed hopeless eastern parts of Germany. I know East Germany had the strongest electronics industry in the former Easter…
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You can sign up on their website: https://www.stackit.de/en/ While there are no free credits the services are priced pay per use to the minute with a much simpler pricing model than the large hyperscalers like AWS. See prices for EC2 here: https://www.stackit.de/en/pricing/cloud-services/iaas/stacki... You can find the docs here: https://docs.stackit.cloud/stackit/en/knowledge-base-8530170...
Note that you need to be Incorporated in Germany, Austria or Switzerland to use it. And they dont allow individuals to open accounts. Only companies. "The European cloud" that doesn't allow sign ups from Europe is extremely ironic. I don't know how they keep getting all this press without actually delivering anything
Ah well, next!
Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing
#138If what you need is a DigitalOcean, then yes, you could shift to this. But when you need a DigitalOcean, you're probably in the wrong place if you were using an AWS/GCP/AZ instead, which is also where this article seems to create a failed comparison.
The play itself does make enough sense, there is a significant duplication in effort across companies, even if you're not doing hyperscaler things and using 'enterprise hardware', the people, processes and technology involved are pretty much the same in all places (which means you wonder what value is added by doing it internally at all -- spoiler it's usually legacy reasons, legacy governance and aversion to change).
When there are enough regions and scalability (capacity, higher resolution consumption pricing, shorter cycle times) you could probably use this as a datacenter-in-the-cloud type of deal, which while 15 years too late is definitely still an improvement in so many businesses. We have some larger companies like Hetzner, OVH and Leaseweb which also try to pivot to more of an XaaS but that in itself is just adding to duplication and a fractured ecosystem. Will this actually work out? Only time will tell...
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#139Yea this is so gonna work with them paying 50-60k/pa for engineers. Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe
> Seriously DACH mentality and influence has been devastating on serious tech development in Europe German corporations (and politics) are full of bean counters, bureaucrats and underachievers. It's filled with people who love to talk, excessively plan, draw flowcharts and build frameworks - essentially everything except getting shit done.
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As a fellow European, I'm perfectly content to use someone else's computer, as long as they have a legal responsibility to respect my privacy, i.e. not submitting to the USA Cloud Act.
Speaking of: Is there an EU alternative to Netlify where I can basically upload/host a small static website for free, including custom domains and free SSL?