Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing • Hacker News Board

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by spinningslate » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:57 PM UTC

outside1234 wrote: post #2

This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.

or: the EU is serious about citizen privacy and addressing the flagrant disregard for it that the major adtech players have shown. If LIDL can compete on price/features/performance _and_ comply with the laws, then good luck to them. Equally, if the big US companies comply, then there's nothing excluding them from the market. They're already present as you note.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by AlexanderDhoore » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:57 PM UTC

Being a European, I’d love to try this. Many businesses operate completely local. I think there is a market for a Europe-only cloud provider.

How do I try this? Do they have a free tier?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by yorwba » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:58 PM UTC

outside1234 wrote: post #2

This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.

AWS does not yet have a sovereign cloud in Europe, they're planning to launch in 2025: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/aws-plans-to-invest-e7... (linked in the article)

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by croes » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 4:58 PM UTC

ck45 wrote: post #3

Unrelated except it's the same company, reminded me of the failed SAP migration, https://www.retaildetail.eu/news/food/lidls-failed-it-projec...

At least they had the balls to back out

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by spinningslate » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:00 PM UTC

christkv wrote: post #10

Looking forward to cloud week at my local Lidl store.

what's in the "middle of lidl" this week? Drill bits, car shampoo and a kubernetes cluster. Nice.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by cbsmith » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:00 PM UTC

outside1234 wrote: post #2

This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.

It's both. Privacy and sovereignty are big issues in Europe, specifically because of the jurisdiction issues. The fact that it provides some protection for European businesses means they'll lean into it all the more. That said, I think the Europeans would be joyous if the rest of the world would eliminate their protectionist boundaries by adopting Europe's privacy laws.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by ahartmetz » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

outside1234 wrote: post #2

This is not about privacy or sovereign clouds because at least AWS and Azure have those already in Europe. It’s about protectionism and tweaking the law to favor local companies.

All countries do that where strategically sensible - or beneficial to "friends" of the government. 300% import tax on Bombardier CSeries anyone? CHIPS act? Silicon Valley getting started with military contracts?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by rgblambda » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

KingOfCoders wrote: post #4

Anyone with experience?

It looks like this isn't open to the public but is just for internal use by Schwartz Group.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by duxup » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

This makes sense from a governance perspective.

I would worry that it becomes a mandated / feature poor service whose customers are guaranteed not by competitiveness, but by government requiring it.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Post by maeil » Sun, Aug 25, 2024, 5:02 PM UTC

> This is something AWS is scrambling to address with its recent announcement of a €7.8 billion investment in an AWS European Sovereign Cloud, expected to launch its first region in Germany by the end of 2025. But will that be enough to regain the trust of European corporations

Given the CLOUD Act and FISA, no it should not be enough to regain the trust of those European corporations that look for data sovereignty. As long as those exist, all proposed "sovereignty" guarantees by vendors that have their (or their parent company's) HQ in the US are entirely worthless and should be ignored.