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Perhaps it's time for an anti-racist fork of a python. Maybe the JIT could only turn on subject to a blood test.
Codes of conduct all feature worthiness being assessed by a small group of special individuals who then declare judgement without rationale. There are competing political systems to that one. The CoC enthusiasts are (likely to be) based in democratic systems so ignorance is not their reason for choosing this structure. A couple of groups I'm involved with have gone down the mandatory code of conduct route. I do not f…
> The name "The Cider House Rules" refers to the list of rules that migrant workers are supposed to follow at the Ocean View Orchards. However, none of them can read, and they are completely unaware of the rules – which have been posted for years. [Basically, they're a EULA.]
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You say "OF COURSE" but it doesn't take long to encounter the argument that racism is "prejudice plus power." It's a classic motte and bailey. I know what you're trying to imply with your comment, but again, you can't have it both ways.
Is it difficult for you to understand that two people might mean different things by the same word? One might say "racism is discrimination based on race", and the other might say ".... But it's only relevant coming from those with actual power". The concept for two people talking past each other should be pretty intuitive to any adult, but when it comes to this specific topic it's like people dont understand it (or pretend not to)
> Defending “reverse racism” and “reverse sexism”, concepts not backed by empirical evidence, which could be seen as deliberate intimidation or creating an exclusionary environment. > Overloading the discussion of the bylaws change (47 out of 177 posts in topic at the time the moderators closed the topic)... The later result of the vote showed 81% support for the most controversial of the bylaws changes, which demons…
> Overloading the discussion of the bylaws change (47 out of 177 posts in topic at the time the moderators closed the topic), which created an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty, and doubt... > Defending “reverse racism” and “reverse sexism”, concepts not backed by empirical evidence, which could be seen as deliberate intimidation or creating an exclusionary environment. So simply having an opinion and expressing it cou…
The thread is here: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed... The person in question is Tim Peters. It’s weird to not name them, but not linking to the thread is appropriate.
For those who don't know, Tim Peters is the inventor of Timsort [1], the built-in sorting algorithm used in Python, Java, JavaScript (V8), and Swift.
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The top of the scale is always 10.
Perhaps that’s the case with YOUR scale, mine goes up to 11.
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You say "OF COURSE" but it doesn't take long to encounter the argument that racism is "prejudice plus power." It's a classic motte and bailey. I know what you're trying to imply with your comment, but again, you can't have it both ways.
> the argument that racism is "prejudice plus power. Is it difficult for you to understand that two people might mean different things by the same word? One might say "racism is discrimination based on race", and the other might say ".... But it's only relevant coming from those with actual power". The concept for two people talking past each other should be pretty intuitive to any adult, but when it comes to this sp…
The point here is that, it seems as if this group is only allowing a specific view of what this concept means that is wholly unnecessary.
And this is the second time that you have implied that I'm either being racist or commenting in bad faith. It's not appreciated.
Given the long list of things, as an outsider, it seems like this person was quite disruptive to the community. It doesn't seem like there's a "this one post was sus", but rather, "we've exhausted other options after repeated violations of our rules across many, many threads." This seems like basic moderation of a community, and good on the mods for applying their rules even to a core developer?
> Can’t say I’ve paid it much attention in recent years. Last time I did, “all races can be prejudiced, but only whites can be racist” was the Correct View™. [...]
> While it still largely makes good sense to me, I don’t want to see the PSF insisting that any other view can only be held in “bad faith”. Other views are common too. Among people of my age, very common. I can attest from personal experience that some people near my age never even heard of the view the PSF endorses. [0]
So, to my understanding, PSF's stance is that only white people can be racist. Tim's supposed offence wasn't even disagreeing with that, but saying that people who don't share that stance aren't acting in bad faith.
The slur alluded to was when discussing removal of a PyPI package named "slut". Instead of using the word directly, Tim said:
> It was about kicking a package off of PyPI, because its docs repeatedly used a word that Dan Akroyd used to apply to Jane Curtin (brilliant comic actors from America’s “Saturday Night Live” TV show, but back in the days when it was genuinely funny). [1]
It all seems exceptionally mild to me. I'm not sure if this is an escalation of purity standards, or those in power wanted him gone for other reasons (like the mentioned questioning of PSF decisions) so twisted anything they could find to match CoC terms.
[0]: https://discuss.python.org/t/im-leaving-too/58408/10
[1]: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed...