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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers
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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers
#462How are those guys not treated as some hostile foreign power and have half their embassy staff expelled is beyond me.
General lack of countries with something even vaguely resembling representative government in the Middle East. Israel seems to only extend that sort of courtesy to a part of its citizenry, but when you remember that the "stable" countries in the region are all more-or-less absolute monarchies, it becomes obvious why the US is willing to at least work with Israel.
Iraq and Lebanon both more closely "vaguely resemble" representative government than Israel does. For all their problems, at least all the people they rule over are allowed to be citizens and vote.
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Very few. It contributes to, obviously, our foreign policy issues in the Middle East, but other than those specifically to deal with the Israel/Palestine crisis have lots of other contributing factors pulling in similar directions and probably wouldn't be that much better without the Israeli influence.
Israeli influence is substantial, but it's fairly focused, and unlike other foreign hostile influence operations it is critical to the Israeli influence operations that they minimally damage US cohesion, power, or influence beyond what is necessary to assure US support and protection for Israel.
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#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is an argument to be made that if the Palestinians have to ask permission to become a real state from Israel, then their "government" isn't really a government, and that all the Palestinians are in thrall to Tel Aviv, a government which rules them but does not represent them, whose laws bind them but for whom they may not vote.
Nit: the Israeli government is in Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv.
A city of Palestine? This strengthens the point.
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#465Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a very interesting thing, it demonstrates something uncomfortable & scary to me as a goy Zionist, who hangs out in a private, predominantly Jewish, space. Note the biggest word in the cloud: UNRWA. All my confirmation bias was in one direction in October. The oddly dissonant and desperate messaging you'd see made things extremely difficult to maintain that, like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see…
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> Israel left Gaza in 2005
But they maintained a land, air, and sea blockade of the region, controlling water, food, power, trade, and immigration. And the region remained under continuous threat of the Israeli military returning. That's not self governing.
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#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know of any government department in Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Australia that target U.S. law makers with fake social media accounts. Do you know of any? Can you cite them?
I have a question of my own. Is there another country whose citizens are regularly elected to Congress? Dual citizens are not barred from holding office in Congress, and certainly there are more than a few English Americans and French Americans who hold citizens in both respective countries, but I have never heard of any winning office (or even running, for that matter).
I'm not aware of any dual citizens in Congress, could you provide some names please?
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#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you recall the US occupying the Philippines? Did they get a vote? How about Puerto Rico today? The US is still a democratic republic.
Where do you get these ideas? Yes, Filipinos did vote for a territorial government as laid out in the Philippine Organic Act of 1902. Yes, Puerto Ricans vote. It's a territory. They have their own devolved government.
At no point did Filipinos have the ability to vote for Senators, Congressmen, or the President. Same for Puerto Ricans. US has other territories too, by the way, with the same restrictions.
You have no problem calling the US a democracy, but when the same rules are applied elsewhere you have a problem?
Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers
#468Israel: The "ally" that acts like an enemy. =) (Alternately, the client state that controls its patron.)
Once a glorified US military base in the middle east served to expand US interests has become a parasitic entities and controls the host.
The upside is the relationship is symbiotic, US expands Israel's borders, wreaking havock in the region, but tests US's war apparatus under "defence" and prevents a unified Arab/Asia/Indo state.
Israel gets free reign to ignore international law, billions, while touting some story about a 'promised land'.
Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers
#469Israel: The "ally" that acts like an enemy. =) (Alternately, the client state that controls its patron.)
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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers
#4702024, dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t.