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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #157
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

> I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. How do you know how much we get from Israel relative to others?

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #399
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #369

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Sure. But why does it seem like everyone here calls everything propaganda all of the time? I think those who overuse the term ought to explain it in their own words.

Propaganda is media designed to manipulate your opinion, without going to the trouble of rationally convincing you to change your mind. And yeh, most of what we see day to day is propaganda. If anything, everyone's under-using that word.

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Post by jedimind »

hersko wrote: post #385
CommanderData wrote: post #259

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That analogy makes zero sense, the Allies were not a settler colonial organization trying to ethnically cleanse natives. Maybe start learning a bit of history before Oct 7, start by reading about the actions of early Zionists[0].

"The organization [Irgun] committed acts of terrorism against Palestinian Arabs, as well as against the British authorities, who were regarded as illegal occupiers.[7] In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments;"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by legolas2412 »

Matl wrote: post #395
bitcurious wrote: post #320

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Can you speak more to your perspective? The only way I can understand your take is to say that the West Bank is rightfully Israeli and therefore its residents should be citizens with voting rights. Are you opposed to an independent Palestinian state?

Not OP, but I am for either giving the Palestinians the same rights as Israelis in a 1 state solution or a an independent Palestinian state but since Israel doesn't seem interested in that it's a cheap talking point because Israel will just crush the Palestinians under its boot until economic sanctions are applied similar to how it was done re South Africa.

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by nerdjon »

ajross wrote: post #400
nerdjon wrote: post #294

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I do not believe that is the case, you seem to have a more narrow view of propaganda. Just look at the Webster definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda What you describe is one form of propaganda but not the only one. Would you agree that Rosy the Riveter was Propaganda? Or this one https://www.archives.gov/files/exhibits/powers-of-persuasion... Both very famous pieces of propaganda the US pu…

Then maybe cite the definition you're using? And explain why it doesn't fit every kind of opinion broadcasting. Like, are flyers for a protest "propaganda"? Is grafitti propaganda? Is writing an opinion essay propaganda? Hosting a blog propaganda? Where does it stop?

Do you cite a definition for every word you use? Of course not. I am using the definition as defined by Webster and every other source I can find.

I am using it the same way that the pieces I referenced, were also considered propaganda.

I am using the excepted actual definition of Propaganda and there is zero reason to expect I need to define otherwise. That is just not a normal expectation when communicating. You having your own definition that does not follow the accepted definitions of the word with examples, is not my problem.

You also didn't answer my question about rosy the riveter which if we would consider that propaganda (which it is considered propaganda) I would consider the billboards propaganda.

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Post by jonathankoren »

revnode wrote: post #358
stoorafa wrote: post #342

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> Given that designation as a separate state, complaining that they can't vote in Israeli elections is like complaining that Canadians can't vote in US elections. I don’t remember the US ever occupying Canada. Not like that at all, and this is a clearly biased take even considering this line on its own.

Do you recall the US occupying the Philippines? Did they get a vote? How about Puerto Rico today? The US is still a democratic republic.

Where do you get these ideas?

Yes, Filipinos did vote for a territorial government as laid out in the Philippine Organic Act of 1902.

Yes, Puerto Ricans vote. It's a territory. They have their own devolved government.

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Post by [deleted] »

lenerdenator wrote: post #96
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #87

How are those guys not treated as some hostile foreign power and have half their embassy staff expelled is beyond me.

General lack of countries with something even vaguely resembling representative government in the Middle East. Israel seems to only extend that sort of courtesy to a part of its citizenry, but when you remember that the "stable" countries in the region are all more-or-less absolute monarchies, it becomes obvious why the US is willing to at least work with Israel.

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Post by pvg »

ajross wrote: post #400
nerdjon wrote: post #294

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I do not believe that is the case, you seem to have a more narrow view of propaganda. Just look at the Webster definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda What you describe is one form of propaganda but not the only one. Would you agree that Rosy the Riveter was Propaganda? Or this one https://www.archives.gov/files/exhibits/powers-of-persuasion... Both very famous pieces of propaganda the US pu…

Then maybe cite the definition you're using? And explain why it doesn't fit every kind of opinion broadcasting. Like, are flyers for a protest "propaganda"? Is grafitti propaganda? Is writing an opinion essay propaganda? Hosting a blog propaganda? Where does it stop?

Like, are flyers for a protest "propaganda"? Is grafitti propaganda?

They easily can be. Same with opinion broadcasting. It's not a matter of some strict definition, just whether you prefer a negative connotation with "propaganda" and how you feel about the thing being propagandized given that the negative connotation is the most common English usage.

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Post by legolas2412 »

Matl wrote: post #417
revnode wrote: post #358

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Do you recall the US occupying the Philippines? Did they get a vote? How about Puerto Rico today? The US is still a democratic republic.

Why is your definition of democratic the valid one? Mine is, a country is only a real democracy if ALL people it rules over have the same set of rights. Israel isn't a democracy and so isn't the DRC, despite the fact that it has democratic in its name.

USA is not a real democracy either in your definition.
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