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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by refulgentis »

bawolff wrote: post #372
refulgentis wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, I agree wholeheartedly. It's hard to word these things. I hope it's clear the meaning is short of "The UN/UNWRA is above all criticism", happy to explicate at length if it isn't (I wouldn't be surprised, at all, anything I write on this looks like an unnecessarily mousey person's verbal diarrhea to me :) )

That's fair, i maybe overinterpreted. I can understand why Israelis might be suspicious of the UN. The relationship between UN and Israel seems kind of fraught in a way that isn't true of pretty much any other country. The not allowing israel to fully vote until 2010 (edit: 2014), the (arguably) unequal focus only Israel's human rights record relative to other countries, and the whole UNRWA being totally different wi…

+1, the thing that jumps to mind is how "U N Schmu En" dates back to the...50s? I was disappointed people were 'shocked' by Gvir tweeting it because it sounded new. I am no fan of Gvir, but again, goes back to what a complex mess there is.

(source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Um-Shmum)

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by mrcartmeneses »

davesque wrote: post #295
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #274

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> Criticizing Israel is the like the "Anti Social Social Club" t-shirt of our time Nice bit of deflection. It’s not even true, either. People are being blacklisted from companies for speaking out against Israel, their faces being paraded through streets with threats made against them. Speaking out against Israel comes with significant risk, particularly for politicians and journalists - the proof is in the pudding, w…

> given your incredibly thinly veiled bias What bias is that?

This troll is hungry. I forget the name of the playbook, but it’s so obvious it’s painful

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by choxi »

rfw300 wrote: post #281
sva_ wrote: post #209

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This article itself seems to be written by chatgpt to some degree at least? I've developed trust-issues with bullet point lists in that format.

If anything, OpenAI's affection for bullet lists is probably a window into why ChatGPT uses them so frequently.

Claude does bullet lists a lot too, I think people just like bullet lists over blobs of text

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by jjtheblunt »

mrcartmeneses wrote: post #388
jjtheblunt wrote: post #348

it would be interesting to know how global politics and wars would change if the US were to stop shoveling money to foreign countries.

Much, much more peaceful. Once parties lack the resources for war and have to come to peace, it often takes hold in unexpectedly strong ways

i expect the same.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by Matl »

bitcurious wrote: post #320
hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #313

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Israel is not a democracy, a huge percentage of the populate cannot vote and have no civil rights or any sort. Let’s please stop repeating this falsehood. It’s propaganda and the facts are clear.

Can you speak more to your perspective? The only way I can understand your take is to say that the West Bank is rightfully Israeli and therefore its residents should be citizens with voting rights. Are you opposed to an independent Palestinian state?

Not OP, but I am for either giving the Palestinians the same rights as Israelis in a 1 state solution or a an independent Palestinian state but since Israel doesn't seem interested in that it's a cheap talking point because Israel will just crush the Palestinians under its boot until economic sanctions are applied similar to how it was done re South Africa.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by cogman10 »

cess11 wrote: post #362
myth_drannon wrote: post #343

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It appears the government has no clear strategy and lacks the famous "the day after" plan. But from IDF side, it took two weeks to take over the whole border with Egypt. Rafah is empty and by the end of the month, it will be Israeli. So yes, they spent months not doing anything while the government was trying to secure hostage release and Biden was screaming do not touch Rafah. But in general what strategy do you nee…

Do you really believe this? Do you think this is an efficient way to perform military counterinsurgency? And are you really sure it's a good idea to wallow in war crimes like this in relation to the rest of the world? Something like, the UAE kind of gets away with it in Sudan currently, so Israel can use IDF like its own janjaweed?

Efficient, yes. Monstrous, also yes.

Efficiently killing civilians doesn't make a nation moral.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by dang »

runarberg wrote: post #249
dang wrote: post #183

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Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

I’m sorry, I did not mean for this comment to be a political point, but rather an observation on how technology is used in mass atrocities. I was hoping to raise a point which I find interesting, which other may or may not agree with. I’ve gotten a couple of excellent replies here raising interesting counterpoints. After posting this, and reading the replies, I’m actually less convinced about my original point. That…

I believe you, but it's too fine a distinction to make a difference on the important point. Your account has obviously been primarily (even exclusively) focused on this one topic for quite a while now. That's not allowed on HN because if we did allow it, HN would dramatically shift towards becoming a current-affairs site, which is not its mandate.

This is not to say that the topic doesn't matter. Of course it matters, a great deal—more than almost anything that gets discussed here. But that not only doesn't change the above point, it makes it even more important.

As I said the last time I replied to you, I appreciate that your comments have mostly not been breaking the site guidelines in other ways. But the "primarily" rule applies regardless.

I don't want to ban you as you've been here a long time and have used the site as intended in the past. But I have to go quite a long way back into the past before that becomes visible. This is not ok.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #369
kelthuzad wrote: post #356

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prop·a·gan·da /ˌpräpəˈɡandə/ noun 1. information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. This definition is good enough, I don't see why it would need a redefinition.

Sure. But why does it seem like everyone here calls everything propaganda all of the time? I think those who overuse the term ought to explain it in their own words.

Propaganda is media designed to manipulate your opinion, without going to the trouble of rationally convincing you to change your mind. And yeh, most of what we see day to day is propaganda. If anything, everyone's under-using that word.

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Post by ajross »

nerdjon wrote: post #294
ajross wrote: post #278

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Then you have a somewhat unconventional personal definition for "propaganda". Almost always people use that word to imply something clandestine, misleading, or both. What you showed is a paid advertisement from a US-registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit, JewBelong, with public accounting on all donations, and a relatively clear mandate for how it spends its money. Again, you're simply saying that a (really only slightly edg…

I do not believe that is the case, you seem to have a more narrow view of propaganda. Just look at the Webster definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda What you describe is one form of propaganda but not the only one. Would you agree that Rosy the Riveter was Propaganda? Or this one https://www.archives.gov/files/exhibits/powers-of-persuasion... Both very famous pieces of propaganda the US pu…

Then maybe cite the definition you're using? And explain why it doesn't fit every kind of opinion broadcasting. Like, are flyers for a protest "propaganda"? Is grafitti propaganda? Is writing an opinion essay propaganda? Hosting a blog propaganda? Where does it stop?
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