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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

School-Cotton wrote: post #180
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #98

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I am so sick of the claim that if you criticize Israel you must have something against Jews. Jews are a loosely-defined, globally-distributed cultural group. Israel is a specific, concrete sovereign country. It is a bit like saying if you criticize Venezuela then you must hate "Latinos". I know for sure that my reasons for criticizing Israel have nothing to do with dislike of Jews. Why? Because I'm inside my own mind…

> I know for sure that my reasons for criticizing Israel have nothing to do with dislike of Jews. Why? Because I'm inside my own mind, so I would know if I had anything against Jews or not, and I don't.

People are classically horrible at that kind of self evaluation and will do amazing mental gymnastics to assure themselves they have "real" reasons for their opinions rather then the truth.

Unless by point 3 and 4 you mean the complete destruction of Israel I don't see any other outcome Americans protesting could accomplish to "solve" the conflict. Though since it's hard to find a protest that isn't pushing for that maybe your right on point 4.

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Post by refulgentis »

bawolff wrote: post #347
refulgentis wrote: post #279

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It's a very interesting thing, it demonstrates something uncomfortable & scary to me as a goy Zionist, who hangs out in a private, predominantly Jewish, space. Note the biggest word in the cloud: UNRWA. All my confirmation bias was in one direction in October. The oddly dissonant and desperate messaging you'd see made things extremely difficult to maintain that, like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see…

> like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see message after message about the evil UN and not say, "uh, did we go off the rails somewhere?" I think saying "evil" anything is wrong. But the UN is still a body made up of people, and like everything has its flaws. Its done some things that have turned out great and truly made the world a better place. Its done other things that haven't worked out so well. I c…

For the record, I agree wholeheartedly. It's hard to word these things. I hope it's clear the meaning is short of "The UN/UNWRA is above all criticism", happy to explicate at length if it isn't (I wouldn't be surprised, at all, anything I write on this looks like an unnecessarily mousey person's verbal diarrhea to me :) )

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #274
davesque wrote: post #263

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> Criticizing Israel is the like the "Anti Social Social Club" t-shirt of our time Nice bit of deflection. It’s not even true, either. People are being blacklisted from companies for speaking out against Israel, their faces being paraded through streets with threats made against them. Speaking out against Israel comes with significant risk, particularly for politicians and journalists - the proof is in the pudding, w…

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Post by g15jv2dp »

bawolff wrote: post #347
refulgentis wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a very interesting thing, it demonstrates something uncomfortable & scary to me as a goy Zionist, who hangs out in a private, predominantly Jewish, space. Note the biggest word in the cloud: UNRWA. All my confirmation bias was in one direction in October. The oddly dissonant and desperate messaging you'd see made things extremely difficult to maintain that, like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see…

> like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see message after message about the evil UN and not say, "uh, did we go off the rails somewhere?" I think saying "evil" anything is wrong. But the UN is still a body made up of people, and like everything has its flaws. Its done some things that have turned out great and truly made the world a better place. Its done other things that haven't worked out so well. I c…

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Post by cess11 »

myth_drannon wrote: post #316
refulgentis wrote: post #279

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It's a very interesting thing, it demonstrates something uncomfortable & scary to me as a goy Zionist, who hangs out in a private, predominantly Jewish, space. Note the biggest word in the cloud: UNRWA. All my confirmation bias was in one direction in October. The oddly dissonant and desperate messaging you'd see made things extremely difficult to maintain that, like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see…

* Assuming the comments came from Israelis/Jews. All the left and right-wing channels are infiltrated with Iranian agents(plenty of news on that topic in Haaretz/Walla). They are causing rift and radicalization in society. That's a solvable tech problem to shut it down. Unfortunately, it's not a priority on a state level because everyone is doing it.

Really?

Closest I've seen would be campaigns like this, https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2024-0... .

Then there's the stuff by IDF soldiers on TikTok, and the stuff settlers put out.

I have the impression that the iranians don't need to do stuff like that.

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Post by kelthuzad »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #233

If there are influence operations online is it ethical to counter them with your own? Obviously none would be preferable. We need to better define what propaganda is . To me it's misleading or false information with the purpose of facilitating a political outcome. Or deceptive information not meant for selling a product.

prop·a·gan·da /ˌpräpəˈɡandə/ noun 1. information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

This definition is good enough, I don't see why it would need a redefinition.

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Post by octopoc »

zardo wrote: post #159
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

> Regardless of what is going on right now, I don't understand how this much power over the US was ever deemed acceptable? US politicians can direct funds to Israel and Israel can support them or attack their rivals.

More like, Israel can spend some of that money to keep the money flow coming, kind of like a parasite. The rest it can use for its own interests.

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Post by revnode »

stoorafa wrote: post #342
edanm wrote: post #333

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> Given that designation as a separate state, complaining that they can't vote in Israeli elections is like complaining that Canadians can't vote in US elections. I don’t remember the US ever occupying Canada. Not like that at all, and this is a clearly biased take even considering this line on its own.

Do you recall the US occupying the Philippines? Did they get a vote?

How about Puerto Rico today?

The US is still a democratic republic.

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Post by racional »

dang wrote: post #183
runarberg wrote: post #30

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Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

It seems you've been triggered by the mention of the g-word. But when we calmly consider what the commenter is saying:

   Israel is using information age technology to commit and propagandize their genocide
It's plainly not an unreasonable proposition, nor does it seem to be intended to engage in battle or provoke. They're simply describing a perfectly horrible situation that happening on the ground (that some recognized experts in the field do consider to be a form of genocide per the UN definition of such) and the fact that modern information technologies seem to be a part of the mechanism that is bringing it about.

The post expresses an opinion, but it definitely wasn't flamebait.

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