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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by jedimind »

cjk2 wrote: post #282
CommanderData wrote: post #259

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An exercise with war casualty stats you can do is look at previous wars and look at the variation in estimates in body counts for each side. Then factor that into the news you are reading it. End game is there has never been a credible body count from even a small scale war. So to claim anyone is right here on either side is probably selective bias on your part. At best when the dust has figuratively and literally se…

"Two officials from the Palestinian Ministry of Health have told CNN that although the ministry keeps a separate death toll for identified and unidentified individuals, the total number of people killed remains unchanged.

The total number of dead also does not include the approximately 10,000 people who are still missing and trapped under the rubble, the officials added.

CNN has seen a daily report from the Palestinian health ministry which matches the number OCHA published in the revised version. A total of 15,103 children and 9,961 women have been killed in Gaza since October 7, the Gaza ministry of health said in its latest report."

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fa... - Updated 2:12 AM EDT, Tue May 14, 2024

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by tredre3 »

dylan604 wrote: post #298
betaby wrote: post #248

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Canadian government was the source of misinformation on social media during the pandemic! Literal curfews were in place with propaganda machine saying how good idea it was.

For purposes of conversation and allowing for a moment your idea is true, to what purpose was the curfews imposed? Who benefited? How? Why were the curfews necessary to achieve those goals?

> to what purpose was the curfews imposed?

The stated purpose was to flatten the curve.

> Who benefited?

The government.

> How?

By giving the impression that they were doing something.

> Why were the curfews necessary to achieve those goals?

They weren't, as far as we know. In Quebec's case they were still scrambling to justify them a few hours before the press conference:

https://www.thesuburban.com/news/legault-s-curfew-decision-w...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/curfew-legality-queb...

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by SrslyJosh »

Calvin02 wrote: post #440
MisterDizzy wrote: post #428

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How many problems in the US are due at least in part to the desire to support and promote democracy? We wouldn’t be involved / concerned with NATO unless we valued democracy and freedom for our partners, no?

What does this have to do with the US' unconditional support of an apartheid regime in the middle east?

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Post by moate »

SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

I think we’ve been here for a while, and I don’t think you make an overt branch to fight covert wars, you just roll it into the NSA or ops for some (all?) other branches of the military.

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Post by burkaman »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #382
Maxatar wrote: post #224

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I don't know of any government department in Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Australia that target U.S. law makers with fake social media accounts. Do you know of any? Can you cite them?

I have a question of my own. Is there another country whose citizens are regularly elected to Congress? Dual citizens are not barred from holding office in Congress, and certainly there are more than a few English Americans and French Americans who hold citizens in both respective countries, but I have never heard of any winning office (or even running, for that matter).

It is relatively common for people born outside the US to be elected to Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign-born_United_St..., https://www.senate.gov/senators/Foreign_born.htm), but there is no requirement to publicly disclose dual citizenship. Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann are the most famous examples of holding dual citizenship during a congressional career, there may be more examples that I'm not aware of.

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Post by legolas2412 »

Matl wrote: post #437
legolas2412 wrote: post #424

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Oh please, this BS no longer works. "Yitzhak Rabin presented the Oslo II Interim Agreement to the Knesset on October 5, 1995, in his final speech to the legislative body. As he spoke, he boldly laid out what he believed to be the future of the Jewish state, boasting that “The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six-Day War.” He also describe…

But Israel was not the one that rejected two state solutions offered by UN in 1948, USA in 2000, and by Israel in 1990s, 2008 etc. It was Arab countries, and Palestinian leaders.

Why was Palestine not a state before 1967 with Gaza and West bank as territory?

How many times have Palestinians offered to recognize and make permanent peace with Israel?

Responding to your edit

>> If after an independent Palestinian state is established on the pre-1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, all of West Bank and all of Gaza and then Israel faces violence from that state, then you'll have support of many you don't right now.

Huh, why did they not accept it in 2000 then? Why launch the second intifada? Why ask the "right to return"? Why call for the destruction of the entirety of Israel as a "white settler colonial state"?

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Post by wordofx »

racional wrote: post #359
dang wrote: post #183

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Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

It seems you've been triggered by the mention of the g-word. But when we calmly consider what the commenter is saying: Israel is using information age technology to commit and propagandize their genocide It's plainly not an unreasonable proposition, nor does it seem to be intended to engage in battle or provoke. They're simply describing a perfectly horrible situation that happening on the ground (that some recognize…

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Post by asveikau »

edanm wrote: post #433
asveikau wrote: post #408

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I don't want to go back and forth because it's off topic for HN. If you have seen images of destroyed hospitals and you're saying this, it seems insane to me. What you're saying is on the level of genocide denial. Ps. My family was targeted by the Holocaust too.

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"strong counterclaim".

You and I have different definitions. I'm saying they're commiting mass murder in hospitals and you're saying they don't do it with air strikes. So I guess it's good then.

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Post by [deleted] »

refulgentis wrote: post #391
bawolff wrote: post #372

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That's fair, i maybe overinterpreted. I can understand why Israelis might be suspicious of the UN. The relationship between UN and Israel seems kind of fraught in a way that isn't true of pretty much any other country. The not allowing israel to fully vote until 2010 (edit: 2014), the (arguably) unequal focus only Israel's human rights record relative to other countries, and the whole UNRWA being totally different wi…

+1, the thing that jumps to mind is how "U N Schmu En" dates back to the...50s? I was disappointed people were 'shocked' by Gvir tweeting it because it sounded new. I am no fan of Gvir, but again, goes back to what a complex mess there is. (source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Um-Shmum )

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