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He’s doing the Elon Musk “I’m not like the other tech CEOs” thing. It’s proven to be very effective in the social media age. It doesn’t matter how much he seems to be dissing his own work when the capabilities speak for themselves.
Nowadays I almost feel like Godwin's law needs an Elon Musk spinoff.
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> Haven’t seen much of that from Microsoft Microsoft is the de facto controlling shareholder in OpenAI. They provide all the money, compute, and backing, and have full access to the models. If OpenAI collapsed tomorrow, Microsoft would absorb its key employees (as they almost did during the board debacle) and everything would continue under the Microsoft umbrella. “OpenAI” is just a shinier name for work that is bein…
The money and compute is not the innovation. The LLM models and associated tools are, which is work by OpenAI employees and teams, not Microsoft employees/teams.
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The money and compute is not the innovation. The LLM models and associated tools are, which is work by OpenAI employees and teams, not Microsoft employees/teams.
In that vein, I'd say that most of the LLM research was done at Google. OpenAI productized faster.
Nobody knew that scaling transformer architecture would lead to the emergent intelligence we see today. Among other things, OpenAI did R&D for years on that. Also the only situation where this could true is if Google knew that LLMs could lead to this intelligence and decided to not make it happen, (along with every other tech company now that is furiously trying to catch up to OpenAI), which is absurd.
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I think this perspective is probably only true for 0.001% of people that actually follow Sam closely and are not optimistic about AGI and like to throw their opinions around. The superficial stuff. The rest don’t care to even know who Sam is and don’t care to assume motive. It’s very likely they’ll bounce back. I’d rather OpenAI continue to innovate and push the industry forward as they have been. Haven’t seen much o…
> Haven’t seen much of that from Microsoft Microsoft is the de facto controlling shareholder in OpenAI. They provide all the money, compute, and backing, and have full access to the models. If OpenAI collapsed tomorrow, Microsoft would absorb its key employees (as they almost did during the board debacle) and everything would continue under the Microsoft umbrella. “OpenAI” is just a shinier name for work that is bein…
No, they are not even a shareholder.
> Microsoft is entitled to up to 49 percent of the for-profit arm of OpenAI's profits, according to reports. But that's not the same as 49% ownership. That investment does not result in Microsoft owning part of OpenAI
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In that vein, I'd say that most of the LLM research was done at Google. OpenAI productized faster.
Confused here, is your argument here that OpenAI is not responsible for any innovation when it comes to LLM tech today? I’m curious about why you so strongly want to believe that? Nobody knew that scaling transformer architecture would lead to the emergent intelligence we see today. Among other things, OpenAI did R&D for years on that. Also the only situation where this could true is if Google knew that LLMs could le…
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> Haven’t seen much of that from Microsoft Microsoft is the de facto controlling shareholder in OpenAI. They provide all the money, compute, and backing, and have full access to the models. If OpenAI collapsed tomorrow, Microsoft would absorb its key employees (as they almost did during the board debacle) and everything would continue under the Microsoft umbrella. “OpenAI” is just a shinier name for work that is bein…
> Microsoft is the de facto controlling shareholder in OpenAI No, they are not even a shareholder. > Microsoft is entitled to up to 49 percent of the for-profit arm of OpenAI's profits, according to reports. But that's not the same as 49% ownership. That investment does not result in Microsoft owning part of OpenAI
Note that that diagram is now a little out of date - Microsoft now has an actual (albeit non-voting) board seat, not just effective control.
Interesting that OpenAI has completely destroyed their reputation over the last year. For me, they've gone from an admirable company to cringe-worthy. I really think that the best outcome here is for OpenAI to collapse and get absorbed by Microsoft, where adults can continue some of the good work that is being overshadowed by ego and cult-like vibes.
And lo and behold, Altman chooses gdb's twitter account to make the first joint statement instead of his own, creepily signing off "Sam and Greg" instead of "Greg and Sam" on gdb's own personal twitter account.
EDIT: The only reason to go to these weird lengths is if he is feeling especially vulnerable right now and feels the need to broadcast a "Greg is with me, I swear" message to signal he is not alone.
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Confused here, is your argument here that OpenAI is not responsible for any innovation when it comes to LLM tech today? I’m curious about why you so strongly want to believe that? Nobody knew that scaling transformer architecture would lead to the emergent intelligence we see today. Among other things, OpenAI did R&D for years on that. Also the only situation where this could true is if Google knew that LLMs could le…
You seem to be inflating the emotional importance of my comment. Google did an enormous amount of the research prior to scaling. I merely pointing out that if there's credit to be given out, a bunch of it goes to Google.
Interesting that OpenAI has completely destroyed their reputation over the last year. For me, they've gone from an admirable company to cringe-worthy. I really think that the best outcome here is for OpenAI to collapse and get absorbed by Microsoft, where adults can continue some of the good work that is being overshadowed by ego and cult-like vibes.
I think this perspective is probably only true for 0.001% of people that actually follow Sam closely and are not optimistic about AGI and like to throw their opinions around. The superficial stuff. The rest don’t care to even know who Sam is and don’t care to assume motive. It’s very likely they’ll bounce back. I’d rather OpenAI continue to innovate and push the industry forward as they have been. Haven’t seen much o…
However, I don't think the general public's view of OpenAI is much better at this point, given that their exposure is Hinton on 60 Minutes claiming that AI is going to imminently end civilization, creatives arguing that OpenAI has stolen their work, and students using their products to cheat.
The only people that I do know who have historically had a positive view of OpenAI has been people working in tech. And Sam seems to be doing everything he can to destroy that goodwill.