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Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by vertis »

Obviously, Medical and privacy issues in this story that make this case more complex, but anyone on HN not looking into ways that AI can streamline their lives and jobs at this point is doing themselves a disservice.

Yes, there are limitations. Yes, there are times when it goes down the wrong path or actually makes things worse, but those are getting fewer and further between.

Things like Otter, Aider, Cursor, GPT Vision, Obsidian (Smart Connections), MumurType are all making huge impacts on my life and productivity. I'm now tapping knowledge I've been collecting since the early 2000s.

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by forgetfreeman »

xyst wrote: post #92

As a person that used to be a “human scribe” but for emergency dept doctors. I would say the ER doctors shared the same experience as the one depicted in the news story. For a doctor that was nearing the age of retirement or had very poor keyboard proficiency. scribes were a godsend. Doctors worried less about documentation and focused more on patient care. Of course they still wrote things like admission orders, pre…

Yeah but you can't get that genie back in the bottle. Once these data are made available to private industry it's only a matter of lobbyists chipping away at whatever protections were initially legislated. See Also: your TV, phone, car, fucking doorbell, and fridge are all spying on you.

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by dv_dt »

williamcotton wrote: post #61
monocultured wrote: post #30

Just the other day there were news about how many mistakes the AI-assisted journaling caused – wrong names, wrong diagnoses, typos (buksmärta -> kuksmärta which is hilarious but serious). Some of it is surely teething problems, but unless there is a robust check upon implementation it might just add another layer of inefficient new public management make-work to the system. https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/ai-journal…

Reading and doing minor edits is much less of a cognitive load than writing. The article does not suggest that doctors should blindly trust the SOAP note created by the tool in question.

thinking reading and doing edits as less work than entering it yourself is exactly what will cause critical errors to be made. It may not suggest that but just like there are Tesla drivers who are supposed to watch the road there are users who will not check. And in a medical record that can be deadly.

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by amkkma »

Pigalowda wrote: post #86
amkkma wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why have residency spots shrunk per capita? Why do unmatched grads have to work at mcdonalds but NP's and PA's can practice with more latitude than some residents? (serious questions)

ACR for radiology is going on in Washington DC. Current staffing throughout the country is poor - over utilization of imaging and not enough radiologists. So we are lobbying for an increase in Medicare funding for residency positions (they are paid by Medicare). Also trying to get more J1 visas but that’s kind of dubious as we are taking physicians from another country who likely also needs physicians. I have no idea…

You can't legally practice as a primary care physician without one year of internship, after which you get unrestricted licensed. If you're unmatched, no internship. Is that not correct?

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by ceejayoz »

snoman wrote: post #78
ceejayoz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article does not suggest that doctors should blindly trust the SOAP note created by the tool in question. But that's what will inevitably happen at some point, when they get to the point of only rarely making big dangerous mistakes.

> …when they get to the point of only rarely making big dangerous mistakes. Are you intentionally rubbing FUD on that or am I mis-reading you? I don’t think we need to wait to rely on technologies until they’ve achieved perfection - just when their mistakes are less frequent, less dangerous, or more predictable than human mistakes for the same task.

I'm saying getting close to perfection is truly dangerous territory, because everyone gets very complacent at that point.

As a concrete example: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pilots-fall-asleep-mid-flight-1...

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by masto »

monocultured wrote: post #30

Just the other day there were news about how many mistakes the AI-assisted journaling caused – wrong names, wrong diagnoses, typos (buksmärta -> kuksmärta which is hilarious but serious). Some of it is surely teething problems, but unless there is a robust check upon implementation it might just add another layer of inefficient new public management make-work to the system. https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/ai-journal…

This would be a major concern for me.

The one time I used AI meeting notes, some important details were wrong. And beyond that, the notes were just terrible. A literal transcription can be useful. A summary of the substance of the meeting can be useful. This was neither. A human would know that a tangent talking about the weather is not important, but AI notes are just as likely to fill the document with "Chris mentioned it had rained yesterday but he was hoping to cook hamburgers when the sun comes out. Alice and Bob expressed opinions about side dishes, with the consensus being that fries are more appropriate than potato salad." as it was to miss a nuanced point that a human would have recorded because they understood the purpose of the meeting. And then it'd give me an action item to buy corn.

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by mysore »

karmakaze wrote: post #71

There's no mention of data privacy. Since AI Scribe[0] study is a run by OntarioMD, the digital technology arm of the Ontario Medical Association, it might be okay but it would be nice if it declared it. From the AI Scribe link: > This project is funded by the Ontario Ministry of Health and overseen by Ontario Health. The study is currently underway, with 150 primary care providers already selected from diverse demog…

would you care about data privacy when you're dead?

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by worthless-trash »

mysore wrote: post #108
karmakaze wrote: post #71

There's no mention of data privacy. Since AI Scribe[0] study is a run by OntarioMD, the digital technology arm of the Ontario Medical Association, it might be okay but it would be nice if it declared it. From the AI Scribe link: > This project is funded by the Ontario Ministry of Health and overseen by Ontario Health. The study is currently underway, with 150 primary care providers already selected from diverse demog…

would you care about data privacy when you're dead?

Care about anything when you are dead?

Re: Ontario family doctor says new AI notetaking saved her job

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Post by throwup238 »

mysore wrote: post #108
karmakaze wrote: post #71

There's no mention of data privacy. Since AI Scribe[0] study is a run by OntarioMD, the digital technology arm of the Ontario Medical Association, it might be okay but it would be nice if it declared it. From the AI Scribe link: > This project is funded by the Ontario Ministry of Health and overseen by Ontario Health. The study is currently underway, with 150 primary care providers already selected from diverse demog…

would you care about data privacy when you're dead?

Your living relatives might, considering the hereditary nature of so many things in medicine.
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