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H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Something that I personally feel unfair about the H1B lottery is that it doesn't consider where you live and what you are currently doing. Students that graduate through a STEM degree get to work for 3 years in their OPT (Optional Practical Training). This extends then to them having 3 chances (one per year) at getting the H1B. Now what's unfair is that an employer in the US can apply H1B for employees living oversee…

Sounds like it’s working by design. Each one pays into social security for 3 years with no chances of ever drawing from it

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Just question. For software jobs. Why is there a demand that can drive abuse. When there are so many people that can't find jobs? It seems like right now there should not be enough demand for H1-b (for software) to justify abuse. Like it shouldn't be profitable enough.

The unfortunate answer is: love them or hate them, people can't pass the leetcode interviews I've worked as a hiring manager in multiple companies, and recommending or not recommending a hire is done without any knowledge of their status, but solely on the 45 minute interview I did. If they need some sponsorship thats done without communicating to me, I just say yes/no. And with that, somehow most of the Yes's need s…

Not always. I passed hiring committee but couldn't team match in multiple companies because of hiring freezes/layoffs. Recruiter told me that the majority of candidates would not team match. But somehow they still needed all the h1bs.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

#213

With all the tech layoffs, IT is actually loosing jobs. Do they really need H-1B till the IT job market stabilizes?

The point of H-1B is to lower wages. Not to stabilize them. It's a way to increase supply of labor which puts downward pressure on wages.

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I was told that entering in as a refugee is the easiest way compared to H1B, Is it true?

“Easiest” way is probably getting married to a citizen. On the scale of least horrible, refugee status might be OK if you can get it, but the anti-refugee climate here has never been worse.

"Easiest" is probably entering illegally and signing up for the military.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Lol, how are they "lax? And "significant issues" like what? According to who? You? Those countries are only afloat because of immigration. Their homegrown economies are uncompetitive ones based on resource extraction and the trades, and their populations are uneducated and unambitious.

The mess that the huge flood of immigration of all sorts (students, refugees, etc) has created (housing, food banks etc) has been in the news - mainstream news - for months here in Canada.

Housing affordability had been an issue in Canada even before recent changes to immigration. Cities have been hesitant to upzone and no premier wants to upset voters in suburban homeowner ridings.

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https://www.bamf.de/EN/Themen/Statistik/BlaueKarteEU/blaueka... I haven't heard of any discontent with the program from locals or applicants. It's growing, too.

the locals aren't upset about salaries? German programmer salaries seem to be on par w/ unskilled labor. If I was a local I would want to stop immigration until supply + demand equilibriated around USA levels.

As per by neighbor: "Not the semiconductor industry. We are looking for qualified engineers everywhere. I don't see this having any impact on salaries."

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>Something’s gone terribly wrong if there’s few teachers, it’s hard to get new teachers, but the price of teachers remains the same. It makes no sense from a labor standpoint. Its because the state has a near monopoly on hiring teachers, so they can keep wages artificially low.

The idea that private schools could serve anywhere near the amount of kids that public schools do and that would somehow result in higher wages for teachers is rather unserious on its face.

The parent comment was confused how demand is high, supply is low, yet wages are also low. I explained how these wages are fixed. You're the one coming up with these new assertions.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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That sounds like a huge push for outsourcing.

Everything is a push for outsourcing. Workers rights is a push (looking at you Boeing, moving from WA to SC). Ecological rules - looking at all toxic production which had been moved to the places with less accountabilities instead of fixing it. I'm pretty sure there're more examples.

Debasing the currency is not a push for outsourcing and, in fact, encourages exports.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Of course it's a benefit to employers and of course talented people coming from poorer countries will work for less. That doesn't mean it isn't beneficial to the country as a whole, which, as I said, suffers from an aging, shrinking population with poor educational attainment metrics. Without H1B the CEOs of many tech companies wouldn't be here just to name one important contribution from this program

Well, that's your opinion. The way the law was written, it's pretty clear the intent was that we'd only import labor we could not get at home, and thus it would have no impact on worker wages. I think people forget that laws exist for the benefit of the people as a whole. If it's having any impact on the wages of citizens, that's clearly not in the best interest of the average US citizen.

> The way the law was written, it's pretty clear the intent was that we'd only import labor we could not get at home, and thus it would have no impact on worker wages.

Yes that's why I wrote that the current process is a tradeoff which requires additional measures to prevent abuse from the Infosys type companies.

But you can't expect the richest, highest paying country in the world to be able to fix its talent shortage and companies not try to take advantage of the pay discrepancy.

> If it's having any impact on the wages of citizens, that's clearly not in the best interest of the average US citizen.

Unfortunately this is false. There are industries where the cost of training enough American citizens to be experts enough to earnsignificant sums makes the business infeasible. I worked in an AI lab at a top University in the US. It's 90% foreign graduate students in those programs. The current AI boom couldn't happen here without this visa program, honestly.

US citizens don't benefit from a stagnant economy like many European nations. They benefit from an economy with lots of businesses popping up and a robust economy. And unfortunately, since Americans are not well educated and are shrinking in number, those kind of businesses need to be staffed by the highly educated from abroad. And those people will accept less pay than US citizens would just due to upbringing abroad. No one in the world expects the pay Americans expect.

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> You really think some foreign person is key - then bid $1million/year salary to that person. You want some cheap labor, then only bid cheap and risk not getting them. I mean this a foolish solution that will just make industries reliant on certain specialized experts not feasible. The reality is that the majority of Americans don't even have a college degree and Americans are a shrinking, aging populace. The few le…

Then develop local experts.

Easier said than done when most Americans don't even graduate college. The time cost, monetary cost, and risk of developing experts from the American population would make things like the current AI boom impossible in the US
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