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H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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what numeric metric do you use to assess that it is "working well" in Germany?

https://www.bamf.de/EN/Themen/Statistik/BlaueKarteEU/blaueka... I haven't heard of any discontent with the program from locals or applicants. It's growing, too.

the locals aren't upset about salaries? German programmer salaries seem to be on par w/ unskilled labor.

If I was a local I would want to stop immigration until supply + demand equilibriated around USA levels.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Something that I personally feel unfair about the H1B lottery is that it doesn't consider where you live and what you are currently doing. Students that graduate through a STEM degree get to work for 3 years in their OPT (Optional Practical Training). This extends then to them having 3 chances (one per year) at getting the H1B. Now what's unfair is that an employer in the US can apply H1B for employees living oversee…

If it were up to me there wouldn't be an h1b. People would be admitted via a points based system like Canada (but stricter) and would then be on a green card path and be granted perm residency after 5y, citizenship after 10. That's of course my pie in the sky 'we can get congress to agree on things' version. If I were president, I would simply make the h1b go to the highest bidder, so the people that enter the US are…

> If I were president, I would simply make the h1b go to the highest bidder

The article makes clear that many H1B aspirants are manipulated into indentured servant like conditions and debt. Selling H1Bs would just amplify that class divide.

I think the goal of the H1B system is to benefit American labor market, it's not a sort of "Ivy League" that is for elite reproduction.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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> EPI, for example, notes that American employers do not have to recruit US residents before hiring foreign H-1B workers, that it's legal for US employers to underpay H-1B workers, relatively speaking, and that H-1B workers are often exploited and lack job protection and mobility, among other issues. I think that, in the modern, immigrant-averse west, that's exactly how a worker visa system is supposed to work.

* We don't have enough skilled workers, and employers think the ones we have are too expensive

* Foreign countries have a glut of skilled workers, and are competing with our companies

* So let's allow in a quota of foreign skilled workers, and let's let companies take the piss and underpay them.

Profit! From the POV of the government (they can screw the quota down to placate nativists, and point to the fact that the visa workers are earning a lot less than the natives), and from the POV of the employers (they get a cheapo workforce).

A better solution is to improve the education standard of the natives; but that would involve public expenditure, which is anathema to conservatives, to the press, and apparently (in the UK) it's also anathema to the Labour Party.

I'm not an open borders wingnut; but I think expenditure on high-quality education is a vital investment in a country's future. We have some world-beating universities in the UK; but government policies have resulted in those institutions giving many of their places to overseas students, who pay a lot more. So we educate lots of foreigners, who then go back to where they came from, and then get hired on worker visas to come back and work here, e.g. as doctors and nurses, of which we have a dire shortage.

Then we tighten the rules on worker visas, like banning them from bringing their kids with them.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Why is it suddenly called fraud and abuse when the "immigrants are taking our jobs" but from the upper middle class?

It’s not called fraud and abuse because “immigrants are taking our jobs”. It’s called fraud and abuse because it’s fraud and abuse. It’s been prevalent in the H1B process for years. Personally, I’m all for America bringing in talented foreign nationals. But the H1B process is bad for foreigners looking to work in the US who get way underpaid and don’t have easy options to work at a different firm. And bad for America…

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Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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> So basically you want to extend the luck/financial privilege that those people have had to be able to study in the US to extend to additional advantages for future visa applications. Not sure that I’d clasify that as fair, personally. It's not fair to uproot someone from a life they've already established , just to give someone else a chance. Also, this is a US policy meant to serve US goals. Absolute fairness to s…

H1-B visas are non-immigrant visas so anybody coming in on one knows it's finite then they need to leave after the fact (assuming they don't change status).

> H1-B visas are non-immigrant visas so anybody coming in on one knows it's finite then they need to leave after the fact (assuming they don't change status).

So what? I don't see how that's relevant to the question, unless you're being unreasonably legalistic.

Also, I've known only one person in my career who came to the US on temporary visa who intended to leave. Everyone else's ultimate goal was a green card.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Because the lax immigration regs of the commonwealth countries are already causing significant issues.

Lol, how are they "lax? And "significant issues" like what? According to who? You? Those countries are only afloat because of immigration. Their homegrown economies are uncompetitive ones based on resource extraction and the trades, and their populations are uneducated and unambitious.

Because there are billions of people in Africa, India, Pakistan and so on. And you cant just let them all in.

Millions would come even from second tier countries if they could. Look at any war conflict, refugees would come to the western countries too, if allowed.

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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Because regions and industries that pay less would be mad, and they’ve got lots of congressmen.

That could potentially be solved by having different buckets for different regions and industries? Seems like that'd be a much fairer system than the current lottery one.

This exists. Here are the prevailing wage cutoffs for each experience level (calculated by the BLS) they use for "software developers" in SF, for example: https://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesQuickResults.aspx?code=15-1...

Re: H-1B visa fraud alive and well amid anti-abuse efforts

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the lax immigration regs of the commonwealth countries are already causing significant issues.

Lol, how are they "lax? And "significant issues" like what? According to who? You? Those countries are only afloat because of immigration. Their homegrown economies are uncompetitive ones based on resource extraction and the trades, and their populations are uneducated and unambitious.

The mess that the huge flood of immigration of all sorts (students, refugees, etc) has created (housing, food banks etc) has been in the news - mainstream news - for months here in Canada.
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