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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by JohnBooty » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:04 PM UTC

leetharris wrote: post #93

hn72774 wrote: post #73

Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

The vast majority of the world doesn't exist in the online sphere. I think that they have saturated the initial EV buyers, mainstream is still afraid of EV and there's more anti-EV propaganda in the media than ever before.

    The vast majority of the world doesn't exist in the online sphere.

Well, no, but the "vast majority of the world" isn't in the market for a Tesla, either.

You don't think there's a significant overlap between prospective Tesla buyers and people who are familiar with Musk's hijinks?

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by ericmay » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:05 PM UTC

ein0p wrote: post #182

mschuster91 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We share the same goals (except for electric cars needing to take over - they do, but the real issue is that public mass transit needs to take over!), but the methods / the lengths Elon Musk is willing to go to in pursuit of those goals are disturbing to many people.

I don't think public mass transit will take over in the US in my lifetime, outside major cities. We're just too spread out, and a lot of us, especially people with kids, like it that way. Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.

> Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.

Kind of a confusing statement. Sure the current state doesn't work in the US, which is because it isn't designed to work and there is little to no investment or money spent on public transit. You can know that this is factually true by looking at your state department of highways budgets and examining how funds are allocated.

It does work in other countries, including countries that have parents with children. There is no logistical or cost-based reason it won't or couldn't work in the US. Nothing special about "spread out" - which is another choice we intentionally make or the size of the country. It's also mostly untrue since most of the population in the US lives in urban areas. Suburban areas can just continue to grow as is and become more dense while preserving SFHs.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:06 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #187

hn72774 wrote: post #73

Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

Forget the content of what Musk says, the fact that he's on Twitter so much seems like a bad sign if you're a Tesla shareholder. His attention is already split between 3-4 companies, if he's tweeting all day on top of that how much attention is Tesla and its problems/opportunities getting?

> how much attention is Tesla and its problems/opportunities getting

Judging by the fragmented and meandering Highland/Juniper roll-out, none.

The company seems to be running on autopilot (or should I say, full self-driving), where local management is making local decisions out of sync with the rest of the company to try and save another quarter. Which is clearly not working anymore.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by JohnBooty » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:08 PM UTC

KennyBlanken wrote: post #179

testbf wrote: post #2

Well I’m a Tesla employee and I started looking for a new job today. There’s a lot of smart people who see where this is going.

"Lot of smart people who see where this is going"...uh huh. The smart people left years ago and started working at Lucid and elsewhere. All the people who had talent got sick of Musk's shit, saw the company stagnating, and left for functional, non-toxic workplaces. Tesla has spent the last ~5 years resting on its laurels, aside from (eventually) producing a pavement-queen meme vehicle that breaks down on even the sim…

    If you're all so smart, why are your cars on fire sale and still 
    selling like dogshit?

I feel that there's a large mismatch between the parent post and your reply? It feels like you both think that Tesla's facing some major problems and is not on a good trajectory?

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by reaperducer » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:08 PM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #100

SoftTalker wrote: post #55

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> At those prices I'm not sure how they aren't selling more cars. I cannot imagine paying $40K for a car, and I'm sure there are millions like me. You may be optimistic on what you think the average person can afford.

The average price of a new car is $48k: https://caredge.com/guides/new-car-price-trends-in-2024 The average new car purchaser may not be the average person, also the average include trucks with tend to be super super expensive.

also the average include trucks with tend to be super super expensive.

Funny how things change.

My first new car was a truck, for the very reason that pick-up trucks were generally much cheaper than cars because they were mostly empty space and didn't have so many creature comforts.

Now, trucks are like rolling vacation spas. When my wife's car was side-swiped, the insurance company gave her a huge new truck as a loaner. It had more electronics, more comfortable seating, and more luxury appointments than our living room.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by epistasis » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:12 PM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #131

epistasis wrote: post #29

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I ask owners of other EV vehicles how they like their car, and >50% of my sample size of ~10 bring up "at least it's not owned by that crazy man" as a big reason as they explain the other deficiencies. (Mostly bad controls, UX, etc. stuff that the Tesla gets right.) I have a Tesla Model 3 right now and it's my favorite car ever, by far, but I also will be unlikely to buy another tesla. It's not the same company as si…

> Mostly bad controls, UX, etc. stuff that the Tesla gets right. What? Tesla's controls are ass. They're infotainment responsiveness is great, but the turn signal steering wheel buttons, windshield wipers, drive mode select, etc... are all absolutely horrible. It's literally the reason we passed on the Model 3 & S when shopping for an EV. The extra 20-60 miles of range wasn't worth it to put up with that nonsense.

I have a 2018 Tesla, which got those things right. One of the ways the company has changed in the past six years is to mess up those controls.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by philistine » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:14 PM UTC

silverquiet wrote: post #133

dralley wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His behavior isn't the only Howard Hughes callback. The entire Cybertruck project screams it.

I didn't think about the parallel to the Spruce Goose, but it's a fair comparison. Honestly, it seems to happen to a lot of megalomaniac, ivory-tower type creators - the urge to build something to top their last creation (and for all his faults, Elon does have some really impressive creations behind him). The other example that jumps to mind is George Lucas with the Star Wars prequels.

The Star Wars prequels are not comparable to the Spruce Goose. The Star Wars prequels did exactly what they intended to do: sell toys so George could maintain the independence of Lucasfilm.

The fact those movies are terrible is irrelevant.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by hn72774 » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:15 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #114

hn72774 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a recent first time buyer of a (used) EV and use the L1 120v charger that came with the vehicle. The daily commute use is low enough that it charges to full overnight. Before I purchased I thought I'd need to pay for a L2 charger and hire an electrician to install a 240v circuit in the driveway. Turned it that I just needed a short 10ga extension cord from an existing 120v receptacle. Our household have a second…

I think one of the biggest enemies of EV adoption is that people just don't intrinsically understand that "refueling" is fundamentally different.

That was me. I had to do my own research to educate myself.

I've done a couple longer trips where the battery goes to 20%. It took a few nights of charging to get it back to 100%. Which was totally fine because our daily use is less than 15 miles per day.

When I was ready to buy, I knew more about EV's than the person who sold me the vehicle. The amount of false information I got from the salesperson was worrisome. Even the amount of sales tax he quoted on the first offer was wrong.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by mschuster91 » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:20 PM UTC

ein0p wrote: post #182

mschuster91 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We share the same goals (except for electric cars needing to take over - they do, but the real issue is that public mass transit needs to take over!), but the methods / the lengths Elon Musk is willing to go to in pursuit of those goals are disturbing to many people.

I don't think public mass transit will take over in the US in my lifetime, outside major cities. We're just too spread out, and a lot of us, especially people with kids, like it that way. Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.

> Mass transit absolutely, positively does not work in the US if you have at least one child.

Here in Munich, one of the densest cities in Europe, I took the subway alone at age 7. There's nothing preventing US kids from doing the same with a bus, no matter if driven by a human or by some sort of autonomous system - except that US infrastructure at large is completely focused on cars and has zero respect for anyone not in the safety shell of a car, so it will be a challenge for a kid to even get to a bus stop safely.

But that can change, even in the matter of a few years. All it needs is the political will, a bit of funding, and in larger cities to get the homeless and drug addicts in safe housing or, for those incompatible with society for mental health reasons, into institutions.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by Sammi » Tue, Apr 02, 2024, 4:23 PM UTC

jorlow wrote: post #111

hn72774 wrote: post #73

Could it be that Musk's inflammatory language and behaviors are a turn off for potential buyers? They are a turn off for me. I like the vehicles but I'd never get one.

For me it's this + going overboard on minimalism (speed only on center screen, turn signals now buttons, wiper controls on touch screen). It's a shame because there's a lot to like about the model 3.

I cannot own a car with unreliable wiper controls. It rains to much where I live. Without a stalk I would definitely go crazy.