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Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#71

Interest rates and vehicle prices too high, must come down to expand TAM. Future benchmark rate cuts should improve affordability (most people finance and buy a payment), but Tesla will need to navigate burn rate until central bank pivots.

I think it'd be a mistake to also underestimate the impact of actual competition showing up with far fewer quirks. Tesla's interiors were already spartan to say the least, and with each interior update the cost cutting gets even more obvious and more compromising (eg, replacing turn signal stalks with buttons on the steering wheel).

Meanwhile you've got things like the Ioniq 5 that have fun styling, way better interiors, and don't really cost that much more. They're still selling a lot fewer in total numbers than Tesla, but Ioniq 5 + EV6 is around 53,000 vehicles in 2023. Given the shape of the EV landscape and EV sales in general, that's probably a lot of lost sales from Tesla specifically. BMW also started showing up, and they're responsible for another 47,000 sales in 2023.

And then at the high end it looks like the Model X + S sold 17,027 total, which yeah. At that price point those vehicles are just one-trick ponies. They go fast, and that's about it. Meanwhile you've got Lucid Air, Porsche Taycan, Audio e-Tron GT, etc... Taycan + eTron GT sales in the US add up to around 10,000. Lucid only had 6,000 delivers in 2023, but it also only offers a Model S competitor atm.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Average price of a new car in the US is ~$47k as of February 2024.

I'd be curious if the median price is a bit lower, but perhaps we're finding that that average price is not sustainable?

Agreed, US consumer is potentially tapped out.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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post #42

Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I'm a big fan of Toyota Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime. (High efficiency vehicles, Prius Prime is #1 most green car of ACEEE list, etc. etc.). But people buying Tesla aren't aligned to Toyota.

But a better match to culture is likely Jeep Wrangler 4xe. Incredible offroading performance, reasonable towing capacity, large size / in-your-face advertising to some extent. And electrified, so that your daily commute is efficient and environmentally friendly.

Etc. etc. There's a lot of competition these days. People who buy Toyota / Honda are people who care #1 about reliability and simplicity.

But "Tesla Buyers" are more excited about niche features or feeling like their car can do something other cars cannot do (even if they never actually use that feature). And honestly, vehicles like Jeep Wrangler 4xe are best suited for that mindset.

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Or the new Dodge Charger EV. Now that Stellantis is making their EV push, I think Stellantis has better branding for what the stereotypical Tesla Buyer is going for... without the awfulness associated with Elon.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#76
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i hope elon's behavior is part of the drop in demand. i'm afraid it is mostly economic though.

Anecdotal, but this is absolutely the case for me. The widely reported fit-and-finish issues would have made me hesitant regardless, but as long as it's Elon's company I will not be buying a Tesla regardless of improvements in quality. Bought a Prius plug-in hybrid instead (which I'm very happy with).

Prior to Elon taking the mask off I was really excited about the idea of getting a Tesla, and I'm squarely in what I imagine must be the main target demographic.

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#77

Are Tesla sales levelling off? I'm not convinced that electric cars are going to be mainstream, apart at the high end, for a few decades.

It's already around 20% of all cars sold globally last year. And prices are still dropping. https://thedriven.io/2024/01/25/worlds-largest-ev-battery-ma...

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#78
post #42

Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I don’t think either had an EV option suiting my needs when we bought a Model X? Meaning able to seat 6-7 humans and ~300 miles of range in the battery pack?

Do they even have a viable option today? (I’m unaware how the Lexus electrification is going.)

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#79
Tesla has the Cybertruck now (is it shipping yet?). People love trucks, so this might work out great for TSLA.

But they don't really have an SUV, which is by far the most popular form factor. The Model Y is closest but it's still a bit car-ish.

Interest rates are up.

Their chairman is going through a very public ...episode.

They'll definitely overcome the headwinds: they still have superfans despite the Musk antics; they have lower leverage than GM/F [0]; there's a lot of regulatory pressure coming down the pipes over the next 10-30 years to phase out ICE engines.

[0]: https://valustox.com/GM

https://valustox.com/F

https://valustox.com/TSLA

Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

#80

"Disastrous" seems like a significant overstatement. To me this looks more like "unsurprising". Tesla has some additional business lines which might eventually prove quite valuable, but in the short to medium term it is mostly a car company. The whole car industry is dealing with the results of higher interest rates. It would be much more surprising if Tesla somehow turned out to be immune to that.

It’s below estimates, so it’s by definition “surprising” relative to the people whose business it is to predict these things.

Disastrous may be going too far unless it portends further drops going forward.

But disastrous may also be the right word because Tesla’s valuation is based entirely on massive growth. So even if this means Tesla will start growing fairly normally as opposed to rapidly, that’s bad for Tesla stock.

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