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Because no member wants to be seen as unreliable, risking their own security in the future, so everyone will in practice assist in any way they can.
Or they might calculate WWIII isn't worth it? Imagine Russia attacks Latvia. Would the US really risk getting into direct conflict with Russia over it?
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>Remember, the year before invasion all what Russian diplomacy wanted - it is to give guaranties that Ukraine won't join NATO? "The year before the invasion" - 2013, right? That's the year you're referring to? The year in which he got a 30 year lease on Sevastopol, thereby keeping Ukraine out of NATO for decades? Because Yanukovich was still in power, and doing everything to appease him? Why is it that the medal Shoi…
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Victoria Nuland is a red flag. Conspiracy theorists are obsessed with her for some reason. Whenever she is brought up, I stop listening. She's not that important.
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She had a political career for 30 years and she claimed to retire.
Did you consider that she perhaps just wants to retire? NATO has all the new ( and strong) members that wanted to join.
Seems like a good time like any other to me, additionally she's 63.
Passed the smell test for me.
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Blackmailing by Orban and his party, not Hungary.
A country that is not in a civil war that has majority support owns the crimes it runs on.
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/how-viktor-orban...
Nonetheless, in 2014, five center-left parties formed the Unity Alliance. One center-left party (LMP) refused to join, splitting the center-left opposition vote. This cut in half the number of constituencies that the opposition would have won that year, allowing Fidesz to capture 91 percent of the constituencies with just 45 percent of the vote. Still plagued by infighting, the opposition remained fragmented in 2018, even as it gained strength in Budapest. With 49 percent of the vote in 2018, Orbán won 86 percent of the constituencies, losing in Budapest but winning almost everywhere else. The 2014 and 2018 results showed that only a unified opposition that spanned the political spectrum could defeat Orbán’s system.
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I have many Serbian friends going for holidays in Croatia. Unthinkable 30 years ago. So maybe, in 50 years from now, Russia will join NATO, too?
> So maybe, in 50 years from now, Russia will join NATO, too? While not technically impossible, practically this is very hard to see. Unless Russia becomes a market liberal, well functioning democracy, it will not happen -- and what are the odds of that? Russia had the chance after the collapse of the Soviet Union, instead it devolved into a plutocracy and what is essentially a one-party state in anything but name. R…
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This comment really illustrates the hollowness of the "NATO expanded too aggressively" claim. NATO didn't force any of these ex-Soviet countries to join. They ran to join NATO as soon as they could. They'd experienced living with the Russian boot on their neck, and they were eager to join a collective security organization to prevent it from ever happening again.
I have a different perspective. If NATO hadn't expanded to Turkey , Sweden and Finland would have had a much easier time not being blackmailed. NATO expanding to essentially-dictatorship countries was too eager. And yes, I understand Turkey's geographical position giving it power over sea routes, and why that was desirable to NATO. But choosing to include a fickle ruler in a unanimous-decisions-only organization is j…
edit: note if you're trying to find Turkey by searching on that site, it uses the endonym Türkiye
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Or they might calculate WWIII isn't worth it? Imagine Russia attacks Latvia. Would the US really risk getting into direct conflict with Russia over it?
Would the US really risk its name and face ignoring their biggest and most powerful military alliance? Honour and keeping your word are very important in geopolitics, especially among countries that have been allied for almost a century, and you won't remain the top dog very long if you avoid your duties at the first difficulty. So yes, if Russia attacks Latvia, you better believe the US is gonna send everything they…
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I don't see anyone calling you a NAFO shill, why do you feel entitled to calling others useful idiots?
Because repeating Russian lies automatically makes you a useful idiot. It comes with the territory.
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That seems like a non-sequitur, did you intend to reply to a different comment/thread?
No, I'm responding to your last sentence.
If anything it's the opposite: There's no point trying to avoid provoking Putin because (A) he's a dishonest actor and has/will feign a grievance for any reason that benefits him and (B) Ukraine from forming alliances with its neighbors is one of his primary goals, so it's impossible to get that with land-deals or conciliatory gestures.
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There was no debate because everyone was on board. I'm so sick and tired about people lying about this online. There was an election! And many, many polls! ALL OF THEM SHOWED LIKE 80% SUPPORT! But the anti-Nato people are butthurt and feel the need to rewrite history to foreigners. Din jävla fjant.
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This claim is so easy to debunk that I doubt you are arguing in good faith.