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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by dauertewigkeit »

enriquec wrote: post #208
ajisiekskaiek wrote: post #153

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You are advocating here for an unresolvable set of ethics, which just happens to be one that conveniently leaves abuse of AI on the table. You take as an axiom of your ethical system the absolute right to create and propagate in public these AI technologies regardless of any externalities and social pressures created. It is of course an ethical system primarily and exclusively interested in advancing the individual a…

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Millions of people including one side of my family have experienced the opposite. They were tenant farmers living in poverty, barely subsisting, before the hard left socialists both 1. developed the economy enough to give them jobs, 2. provided social safety nets such as tax payer paid healthcare so they wouldn't go bankrupt every time they needed to buy medicine or visit a doctor. If the country had never gone that direction it would have spent many more decades being a quasi-feudal land stuck the the middle ages. Not sure how "individualism" would have helped them at all. They didn't have any capital.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by Onewildgamer »

greenie_beans wrote: post #82
magnio wrote: post #6

> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…

really makes the "Open" sound more sinister, like they're opening the ai.

Like they rub open the lamp to release the genie. To go with the metaphor, the genie obeys the person holding the lamp, not everybody

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by Jensson »

tsimionescu wrote: post #348
sharkjacobs wrote: post #297

> For example, Albania is using OpenAI’s tools to accelerate its EU accession by as much as 5.5 years What an insane thing to say so matter of factly. This is like a character in an airport bookstore political thriller who is poorly written to be smart.

The lack of self-awareness of whoever wrote this, and of all those who signed it, is mind boggling.

I assume they wrote that with an LLM. That reads exactly like typical LLM arguments.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by redox99 »

danenania wrote: post #107
bugglebeetle wrote: post #71

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Public relations. What Musk has said about OpenAI is true: they abandoned their mission and sold themselves off to Microsoft in pursuit of profit, and have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all. They can’t counter any of these claims credibly, but can still (correctly) paint the messenger as arguing in bad faith to diminish their impact. Being right about all of this doesn’t a…

“have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all” Has any organization done more to make AI widely available to all? I can’t think of one. True, they’re not making the source code available. True, they’re making tons of money off it. But their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card.

I don't know about "widely available". It's a matter of openess.

Coca Cola is widely available, but its not "open" (its recipe is a secret, maybe others have reverse engineered the formula, but Coca Cola Co. intentions always were to keep it a secret).

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by BlueTemplar »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #316
intended wrote: post #268

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- To me, the teams I work with and everyone handling content moderation. / Rant / Oh God please let these things be bottle necked. The job was already absurd, LLMs and GenAI are going to be just frikking amazing to deal with. Spam and manipulative marketing has already evolved - and thats with bounded LLMs. There are comments that look innocuous, well written, but the entire purpose is to low key get someone to do a…

As of right now, the only solution I see is forums walled off in some way, complex captchas, intense proof of work, subscription fees etc. Only alternative might be obscurity, which makes the forum less useful. Maybe we could do like a web3 type thing but instead of pointless cryptos, you have a cryptographic proof that certifies you did the captcha or whatever and lots of sites accept them. I don’t think its unsolva…

Yeah, one thing I am afraid of is that forums will decide to join the Discord chatrooms on the deep web : stop being readable without an account, which is pretty catastrophic for discovery by search engines and backup crawlers like the Internet Archive.

Anyone with forum moderating experience care to chime in ? (Reddit, while still on the open web for now, isn't a forum, and worse, is a platform.)

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by jrflowers »

carlossouza wrote: post #108
magnio wrote: post #6

> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…

> The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science... Based on this line of reasoning, ANY company that builds any given technology and intends to share (sell) it to the world, but not divulge how it was done, can call itself OpenWhatever. They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing.

> They are clearly saying that the word “Open” in their name means nothing.

Similarly Microsoft makes incredibly large software and my letters about this have gone unanswered

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by jbc1 »

Atotalnoob wrote: post #203
chatmasta wrote: post #185

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Ilya's justification for that argument was to link to a SlateStarCodex blog post. We are doomed...

What’s wrong with slatestarcodex? I’ve never heard of them before

Lucky you! It's some of the best content on the internet. My favourite blog for sure. Same guy has continued on with his writing at https://www.astralcodexten.com which is also pretty good but doesn't reach the same highs.

What's wrong with it in context though is that as great as it is, it's just some guys blog. It's disconcerting that people would be working on technology they think is more dangerous than nuclear weapons and basing their approach to safety on a random blog post.

Although it's disconcerting to think of a committee deciding how it's approached, or the general public, or AI loving researchers, so it might just be a disconcerting topic.

If OpenAI or just Ilya think Scott is the best man to have thinking about it though, I would have at least liked them to pay him to do it full time. Blogging isn't even Scott's full time job, and the majority of his stuff isn't even about AI.

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Post by sumedh »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #133
uncomputation wrote: post #70

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> they don't refute that they did betray it They do. They say: > Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...” Whether you agree with this is a different matter but…

The benefit is the science, nothing else matters, and having OpenAI decide what matters for everyone is repugnant. Of course they can give us nothing, but in that case they should start paying taxes and stop claiming they're a public benefit org. My prediction is they'll produce little of value going forward. They're too distracted by their wet dreams about all the cash they're going to make to focus on the job at ha…

> The benefit is the science, nothing else matters

Even if that science helps not so friendly countries like Russia?

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Post by Jensson »

ascorbic wrote: post #404
Barrin92 wrote: post #353

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because it's a completely made up claim with a random number thrown in. How do you end up with "5.5" years for a process that doesn't have a timetable, number of estimated emails required for EU accession divided by number of emails ChatGPT can generate per day?

I was pretty skeptical about this too, but looking into it there is some basis in fact. They're using it to help translate and integrate the "Acquis communautaire" - the huge body of EU laws and regulations that need to be enshrined in national laws of candidate countries. This is one of the most time-consuming parts of the process, and usually takes many years. Leaving aside how risky this is (presumably they will h…

Translating that doesn't seem to take very long though. Looked up an example, Sweden voted to enter EU 13 nov 1994, and legally entered and had thus finished incorporating that into their legislation 1 jan 1995, so 1.5 months at most. Not sure what 5.5 years means, maybe they meant the total amount of working years in manhours saved?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

andrepd wrote: post #351
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #275

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The biggest real problem I’m experiencing right now isn’t controls on the AI, it’s weird spam emails that bypass spam filters because they look real enough, but are just cold email marketing bullshit: https://x.com/tlalexander/status/1765122572067434857 These systems are making the internet a worse place to be.

Generative AI will make the world on general a worse place to be. They are not very good at writing truth, but they are very excellent at writing convincing bullshit . It's already difficult to distinguish generated text/image/video from human responses / real footage, its only gonna get more difficult to do so and cheaper to generate. In other words, it's very likely generative AI will be very good at creating fake…

We will have to go back to using trust in the source as the main litmus test for credibility. Text from sources that are known to have humans write (or verify) everything they publish in a reasonably neutral way will be trusted, the rest will be assumed to be bullshit by default.

It could be the return of real journalism. There is a lot to rebuild in this respect, as most journalism has gone to the dogs in the last few decades. In my country all major newspapers are political pamphlets that regularly publish fake news (without the need for any AI). But one can hope, maybe the lowering of the barrier of entry to generate fake content will make people more critical of what they read, hence incentivizing the creation of actually trustworthy sources.

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