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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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It just means that LLMs are an interpolation of everything on the internet. They would seem less like they have a point of view or an opinion on things.

They would have the average point of view of the Internet, which is far from truthful or even useful.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

Malevolent or "paperclip indifferent" AGI is a hypothetical danger.

Concentrating an extremely powerful tool, what it will and won't do, who has access to it, who has access to the the newest stuff first? Further corrupting K Street via massive lobbying/bribery activity laundered through OpenPhilanthropy is just trivially terrifying.

That is a clear and present danger of potentially catastrophic importance.

We stop the bleeding to death, then worry about the possibly malignant, possibly benign lump that may require careful surgery.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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In my eyes this is a straw argument. "[T]otally OK not to share the science." I think the reasonable average person would disagree with that. And, it would go against certain goal & financial transparency principles that the IRS demands to bestow the 501(c)3 designation. (e.g. see here https://www.citizen.org/article/letter-to-california-attorne... )

Ilya's justification for that argument was to link to a SlateStarCodex blog post. We are doomed...

What’s wrong with slatestarcodex? I’ve never heard of them before

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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This looks bad for OpenAI (although it's been pretty obvious that they are far from open for a long time). But it looks 10x worse for Elon. At least for the public image, he desperately try to maintain. > As we discussed a for-profit structure in order to further the mission, Elon wanted us to merge with Tesla or he wanted full control. > In late 2017, we and Elon decided the next step for the mission was to create a…

The difference is OpenAI had a reputation to protect, Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist. The fact that they slinging mud at each other just proves the mutual criticism though, and provides an edifying spectacle for the rest of us.

> The difference is OpenAI had a reputation to protect

OpenAI changed its stance about five years ago. In meanwhile they got billions in investment, hired best employees, created very successful product and took leadership position in AI. Only narrative remaining was that they somehow betrayed original donors by moving away from the charter. This shows that is not the case; original donor(s) are equally megalomaniac and don't give a fuck about the charter.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…

Yes. I think the same. Elon is just bitter he misjudged and now wants to claw back without seeming a giant a-hole.

He has celebrityitus — he is so far gone from knowing anyone that doesn’t suck up to him that he can help but look like a giant a-hole all the time because everyone round him will tell him that he is cool and right.

And it doesn’t take being that rich to have this problem. Even minor celebs in L.A. have this problem!

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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> As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in OpenAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science (even though sharing everything is definitely the right strategy in the short and possibly medium term for recruitment purposes). That is surprisingly greedy & selfish to be boasting about in their own…

Sounds pretty much like any other corpo “Pay us bucks and benefit from our tech”

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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post #56

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>they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. I think this part is proving itself to be an understandable but false perspective. The hazard we are experiencing with LLM right now is not how freely accessible and powerfully truthy it's content is, but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor und…

You are advocating here for an unresolvable set of ethics, which just happens to be one that conveniently leaves abuse of AI on the table. You take as an axiom of your ethical system the absolute right to create and propagate in public these AI technologies regardless of any externalities and social pressures created. It is of course an ethical system primarily and exclusively interested in advancing the individual a…

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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

As the emails make clear, Musk reveals that his real goal is to use OpenAI to accelerate full self driving of Tesla Model 3 and other models. He keeps on putting up Google as a boogeyman who will swamp them, but he provides no real evidence of spending level or progress toward AGI, he just bloviates. I am totally suspicious of Altman in particular, but Musk is just the worst.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

#210
post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

> To some extent, they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger.

They claimed that about GPT-2 and used the claim to delay its release.

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