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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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It's incredibly common, there are probably even more but these are the most asset rich companies. If properly structured even something like a local gym is going to be 6-8 entities. I took multiple entire classes dedicated to corporate structure. Multiple entities are needed to maximize liability protection and tax avoidance purposes.

> If properly structured even something like a local gym is going to be 6-8 entities. Can you explain that? It seems outrageous to me.

It's not true, and people claiming this are just trying to normalize these bizarre weblike corporate structures when in fact they're usually used to make a business law-proof in a way that's very contrary to the intent and purpose of the relevant law.

(If your local gym is structured as 6-8 entities you should probably not go there because you're going to be screwed if you injure yourself.)

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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> For example, some states recognize a "handshake agreement" as a legally-binding contract Subject to limits on specific kinds of contracts that must be reduced to writing, all US jurisdictions (not just some states) recognize oral contracts provided that the basic requirements of a contract (offer, acceptance, consideration, etc.) are present.

The trouble with oral agreements then become determining what is in the oral agreement, after the fact. Whether one party remembers it differently to the other, either due to poor memory or deliberately.

> The trouble with oral agreements then become determining what is in the oral agreement, after the fact.

Yes, except for the narrow situations where writing is legally required for a contract, the point of a written contract document is not that it is necessary to create a contract but that it is valuable in the event of a dispute as evidence of what the parties actually agreed to.

Determining that an oral agreement existed and what the terms were is an evidence problem.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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So much of the discussion here is about being a non-profit, but per your quote I think the key is open source. Here we have people investing in an open source company, and the company never opened their source. Rather than open source technology everyone could profit from, they kept everything closed and sold exclusive access. I think it is going to be hard for OpenAI to defend their behavior, and a huge amount of da…

It says "will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable" they have open sourced a number of things, Whisper most notably. Nothing about that is a promise to open source everything and they just need to say it wasn't applicable for ChatGPT or DallE because of safety.

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I find myself in the weird position of still thinking Musk is upset about this for pettier reasons than he alleges but still being super glad he's bringing this suit. OpenAI has clearly sold out in a big way to one of the most dangerous and irresponsible companies on the planet and someone with pockets this deep needed to bring this suit for there to be any chance of any accountability even being possible given the scale of the organization

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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"In March 2023, OpenAI released its most powerful language model yet, GPT-4. GPT-4 is not just capable of reasoning. It is better at reasoning than average humans. It scored in the 90th percentile on the Uniform Bar Exam for lawyers. It scored in the 99th percentile on the GRE Verbal Assessment. It even scored a 77% on the Advanced Sommelier examination." One could argue a common characteristic of the above exams is…

>Surely GPT-4 would fail some exams Some? It does hilariously badly on basic math. With confidence, though.

Have you tried GPT recently on maths? Since they trained it to write code for maths questions it's got a lot better

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I find myself in the weird position of still thinking Musk is upset about this for pettier reasons than he alleges but still being super glad he's bringing this suit. OpenAI has clearly sold out in a big way to one of the most dangerous and irresponsible companies on the planet and someone with pockets this deep needed to bring this suit for there to be any chance of any accountability even being possible given the s…

Anybody can be a useful idiot, why not Elon Musk?

Although I share your evaluation that he is likely in it for petty reasons.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Same with Musk,'s warning about the dangers of AI but then he released one too.

This is my main question, how open is Tesla's FSD "AI"? Why is it okay for his AI to be closed with a direct path of killing/harming people?

I think legally, because he didn’t take a bunch of money and promise the donors to make it open

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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See The Linux Foundation, they don’t seem to have this problem.

I don't think a single sample makes a trend. Genuinely asking: what other companies are fully open source and still profitable? Redhat comes to mind, but nothing else, at least no thing on the scale necessary to run AI.

Let's imagine OpenAI open sourced what they were doing and provided training on the technology they've developed, do you think they'd have trouble finding sponsorship ? Honestly?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I have absolutely zero reason to believe "AI" is better of in the hands of Altman, Brockman etc and most of the public would feel similar.

Who would most of the public trust with AI?

Personally, I don't have a trust problem with AI per se, I have a problem with the technology being locked behind closed doors.

My point is, if whatever they're doing is dangerous, I don't see what is actually special about Altman and Brockman having control of dangerous things. They seem completely motivated by money.

I'd trust scientists, AI experts who aren't in a for profit company with some government oversight over Aman and Bman.

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